Risky decisions don't pay off for Packers

MintBaconDrivel
Senior Member Topic Starter

9 years ago

NEW ORLEANS -- Coach Mike McCarthy has a good enough football team that he shouldn't need to resort to gimmicks or high-risk moves to win games.

The Green Bay Packers were 5-2 without them heading into Sunday night game's at the New Orleans Saints.

But McCarthy went against conventional thinking on three key occasions in the 44-23 loss at the Superdome.

They were:
[list]

The decision to use outside linebacker Julius Peppers as a receiver/tight end near the goal-line in the first quarter.

A surprise onside kick in the first quarter.

[*]A fourth-and-1 run from the Packers' 40-yard line in the third quarter.[/list]

Rob Demovsky wrote:

Delivering the latest and most important updates on the Green Bay Packers for your convenience.

Wanna join the discussion?! Login to your PACKERSHOME forum account or Register a new forum account

nerdmann
Premier Member

9 years ago

NEW ORLEANS -- Coach Mike McCarthy has a good enough football team that he shouldn't need to resort to gimmicks or high-risk moves to win games.

"Finding ways to lose."

“Winning is not a sometime thing, it is an all the time thing. You don't do things right once in a while…you do them right all the time.”

musccy
Veteran Member

9 years ago

1) There really isn't anything good you can say about Peppers

2) I'm 50-50 on the onsides kick. In hindsight it actually almost looks better since the Packers stopped the Saints' offense once all night?

3) I believe the Packers were down 2 TDs, needed 18 inches, and again, couldn't stop the Saints whether they started from their own 2, 30, or the Packers 40.

Cheesey
Preferred Member

9 years ago

True.....I see the onsides kick as a desperation move, with NO confidence on our defense. (As it turns out, rightfully so.)

steveishere
Veteran Member

9 years ago

Maybe after the bye we can just put our best players out there and play football instead of using silly gimick packages/plays so often on offense and defense.

hardrocker950
Member

9 years ago

Maybe after the bye we can just put our best players out there and play football instead of using silly gimick packages/plays so often on offense and defense.

Originally Posted by: steveishere

Now that is just madness. Why would we want to play fundamentally sound football?

Yerko
Senior Member

9 years ago

I don't question going for it on 4th down. I just question running the play behind a terrible back up in Taylor Lane.

Dude was a turnstile all night.

PackFanWithTwins
Veteran Member

9 years ago

It was the wrong time to call the Peppers play. You run that when ahead, to put it on film for possible use in the future, you don't use it that early in a shootout.

No problem with the onside call, It was almost successful, just didn't get the bounce this time. He has made the same call before with success and little complaining is done than so we shouldn't complain just because the outcome wasn't the same.

I don't call going for it at that point of the game on 4th down a risky call. Punting likely would not have only changed the amount of time left when Flynn was put in.

The world needs ditch diggers too Danny!!!

Cheesey
Preferred Member

9 years ago

True, Packfanwithtwins. If the Peppers play and the onsides kick worked, we'd be singing MM's praises.
As I said, I think Mike McCarthy has no confidence in our D being able to make stops against a good team, and was trying ANYTHING to get an advantage.
IF we make it to the playoffs, we will be playing against good teams and will lose if they don't fix what is wrong.
It will be another "one and done".
Teams have plenty of film now on how to beat the Packers. If they have a decent QB and running back and a D that can stop the pass at all, we will lose.

Zero2Cool
Elite Member

9 years ago

#10

I think Vic has this one spot on. Excellent play call and if Julius Peppers catches it, those whining about it, would be praising it. Hindsight makes us all brilliant lol

They have to prepare for it because the Packers absolutely pencil-whipped the Saints with that play. I mean, it was genius. You will never see a better example of plays, not players, than you saw on that play. By formation and personnel, the Packers completely compromised the Saints’ defensive look by isolating a very large player on a much smaller player. Everything was perfect according to design. It should’ve been an easy pitch-and-catch touchdown, except one thing went wrong: The pass was dropped. That’s why it’s always players, not plays.

Vic Ketchman wrote:

Important Information:

The PACKERSHOME uses cookies. By continuing to browse this site, you are agreeing to our use of cookies. More Details Close

Fan Shout

Zero2Cool (3-May) : Jordan Love CAN sign an extension as of today. Might tak weeks/months though

TheKanataThrilla (3-May) : Packers decline 5th year option for Stokes

Mucky Tundra (3-May) : @ProFootballTalk Jaylen Warren: Steelers' special teams coach has discussed Justin Fields returning kicks.

Zero2Cool (2-May) : Season officially ending tonight for Bucks ... sad face

Zero2Cool (2-May) : Giannis Antetokounmpo is listed as out for tonight's game.

dfosterf (2-May) : Surprisingly low initially is my guess cap wise, but gonna pay the piper after that

dfosterf (2-May) : The number on Love is going to be brutal.

Zero2Cool (2-May) : May 3rd. Extension day for Jordan Love. (soonest)

Zero2Cool (1-May) : USFL MVP QB Alex McGough moved to WR. So that's why no WR drafted!

earthquake (1-May) : Packers draft starters at safety ever few years. Collins, Clinton-Dix, Savage

beast (1-May) : Why can't the rookies be a day 1 starter? Especially when we grabbed 3 of them at the position

dfosterf (1-May) : Not going to be shocked if Gilmore goes to the Lions.

dfosterf (1-May) : I hear you dhazer, but my guess would be Gilmore Colts and Howard Vikings from what little has been reported.

Mucky Tundra (30-Apr) : S learn from McKinney who learns from Hafley who learns from the fans. Guaranteed Super Bowl

Zero2Cool (30-Apr) : could*

Zero2Cool (29-Apr) : Safeties should learn from Xavier.

dhazer (29-Apr) : And what about grabbing a Gilmore or Howard at CB ? Those are all Free Agents left

dhazer (29-Apr) : out of curiosity do they try and sign Simmons or Hyde to let these young safeties learn from, they can't be day 1 starters.

Zero2Cool (29-Apr) : I miss having Sam Shields.

Zero2Cool (29-Apr) : Not that he's making excuses, just pointing it out

Zero2Cool (29-Apr) : That's for dang sure. Make our erratic kicker have no excuse!

packerfanoutwest (28-Apr) : having a great long snapper is gold

Zero2Cool (28-Apr) : LaFleur looking like he had some weight. Coachin will do that lol

Zero2Cool (28-Apr) : Thanks Mucky and whomever created topcos for each pick!

Zero2Cool (28-Apr) : Insane about Kingsley

dfosterf (28-Apr) : Putring it here so Mucky sees it. He was our guy!

dfosterf (28-Apr) : Bowden long snapper Wisconsin. Consensus best LS in college.

dfosterf (28-Apr) : We got Peter Bowde

dfosterf (28-Apr) : I personally interpret that as a partial tear that can be recovered from with rehab

dfosterf (28-Apr) : MLF said Kingsley Enagbare did NOT tear his ACL and did NOT require surgery, and that he is "looking good" for the 2024 season!

beast (28-Apr) : T.O. son signs with the 49ers

Mucky Tundra (28-Apr) : damn those vikings

beast (27-Apr) : UDFA Vikings sign TE – Trey Knox, South Carolina

beast (27-Apr) : Kitchen was all high from Miami, he was more lucky than talented in 2022 and it showed in 2023

beast (27-Apr) : Reportedly Packers have UDFAs Jennings and Jones

beast (27-Apr) : OL – Donovan Jennings, USF OT – Trente Jones, Michigan

TheKanataThrilla (27-Apr) : Interesting draft. A bit shocked that we didn't select an early CB. Definitely have Safety help. Pretty happy overall.

dhazer (27-Apr) : wow the last 2 picks are really stupid and probably will be special teams players Top 10 draft pick next year book it

TheKanataThrilla (27-Apr) : I think he ended up with a terrible RAS score

dhazer (27-Apr) : Anyone know what went on with Kitchens from Florida? At 1 point he was to be the Packers 1st round and he is way down the board now

Martha Careful (27-Apr) : Z, could you please combine my thread with yours please. I obviously did not see it when I Created it

Martha Careful (26-Apr) : Re: 'Kool-Aid' McKinstry. Other than Icky Woods, has there ever been a good NFLer with a childish nickname?

Martha Careful (26-Apr) : Packers looking to trade up

Martha Careful (26-Apr) : Flag?

Martha Careful (26-Apr) : Sag?

Nonstopdrivel (26-Apr) : It rhymes with "bag."

beast (26-Apr) : Family? That's Deadpool's F word

Nonstopdrivel (26-Apr) : Not THAT f-word.

Zero2Cool (26-Apr) : fuck

beast (25-Apr) : 49ers are Cap Tight

Please sign in to use Fan Shout

2023 Packers Schedule

Sunday, Sep 10 @ 3:25 PM

Bears

38 - 20

Sunday, Sep 17 @ 12:00 PM

Falcons

24 - 25

Sunday, Sep 24 @ 12:00 PM

SAINTS

18 - 17

Thursday, Sep 28 @ 7:15 PM

LIONS

20 - 34

Monday, Oct 9 @ 7:15 PM

Raiders

13 - 17

Sunday, Oct 22 @ 3:25 PM

Broncos

17 - 19

Sunday, Oct 29 @ 12:00 PM

VIKINGS

10 - 24

Sunday, Nov 5 @ 12:00 PM

RAMS

20 - 3

Sunday, Nov 12 @ 12:00 PM

Steelers

19 - 23

Sunday, Nov 19 @ 12:00 PM

CHARGERS

23 - 20

Thursday, Nov 23 @ 11:30 AM

Lions

29 - 22

Sunday, Dec 3 @ 7:20 PM

CHIEFS

27 - 19

Monday, Dec 11 @ 7:15 PM

Giants

22 - 24

Sunday, Dec 17 @ 12:00 PM

BUCCANEERS

20 - 34

Sunday, Dec 24 @ 12:00 PM

Panthers

33 - 30

Sunday, Dec 31 @ 7:20 PM

Vikings

33 - 10

Sunday, Jan 7 @ 3:25 PM

BEARS

17 - 9

Sunday, Jan 14 @ 3:30 PM

Cowboys

48 - 32

Saturday, Jan 20 @ 7:15 PM

49ers

21 - 24