When healthy both are solid, but that's kind of the issue. If you're expecting a 3-4 DE to wrack up sacks like Reggie White, you're looking at the wrong defense. In the 3-4 we run, these are mostly run stoppers who help the push to allow the LB to get those kinds of stats.

Not that I don't think we can upgrade, but if we go into the year with Neal, Raji and Jones up front then Perry, Peppers, Matthews and Barrington at LB I can live with that/

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First time i've ever agreed with you. For being high picks they certainly haven't done shit. Even if they do it now, after this long i'd still come them a bust as first rounders.

Heres to hoping they explode this season.

I'm thinking about it... and didn't Datone Jones come from playing in a college 3-4 defense?
So I'm wondering if you know if Datone has ever played in a 4-3 defense or not...

Lou Spanos was the UCLA defensive coordinator when Jones was there and he was with the Steelers after Capers and both use some of the same terms which has been talked about in a couple articles. Jones didn't have to learn new terms and already understand the 3-4 idea as he had already been running something very similar to it in college.



Now those two I would agree with... might be a lot more effective in a 4-3 DE. I was thinking the other day how Neal and Kampman have sometimes in common... Big Ten DTs drafted by the Packers, get moved out to DE ... and end up at 3-4 OLBers.

Though of course Kampman 4-3 DE was most successful, but in fairness Neal was in 3-4 DE, not 4-3 DE.

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From this fan's perspective, sometimes at Lambeau and sometimes at home, I haven't been even minimally impressed with either Perry or Jones.
Both show flashes at times but for the most part both are mostly invisible.
I think this year is put out or get out for both.
Both are approaching bust status in my book.