Want an Idea of How Kampman fits the Capers 3-4?

Pack93z
Select Member Topic Starter

15 years ago

Take a gander back into history a little and take a peak at how he used Tony Brackens in 1999.

That defense finished ranked 1st in points and 4th in yards.

Brackens, at 6-4 and 265... Capers moved him all over the place and Tony responded with 12 sacks and two picks (1 for a TD)

Brackens played DE prior and post Capers stint in Jacksonville.. but quite a bit of physical traits and style of play are somewhat common between Kampman and Brackens..

BTW.. that was a career year for Brackens, in his career he tallied 55 sacks overall during 8 years.. so he had proven ability to rush the passer prior to and post the 3-4..

Thought it might bring a little relief to the angst that some are having to the 3-4 and Kampman.. I trust Capers will find a way to utilize Kampman's talents to help the overall defense.

"The oranges are dry; the apples are mealy; and the papayas... I don't know what's going on with the papayas!"

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Rockmolder
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15 years ago

Great find. Makes me a bit more confidend that Capers knows what he's doing with Kampman.

Now ofcourse these aren't the same guys and you can't really expect the same results... but if this is any kind of indication for Kampman's rise in stats, he'll have a 20 sacks year (I know, I know, getting ahead of things).

Zero2Cool
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15 years ago

I'm still holding out that Kampman will be moved to the outside. His body type makes me think of a James Harrison or Jamie Farrior or whoever their names are.

Pack93z
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15 years ago

I'm still holding out that Kampman will be moved to the outside. His body type makes me think of a James Harrison or Jamie Farrior or whoever their names are.

"Zero2Cool" wrote:

Brackens was moved outside as well.. but he also was lined up inside with his hand down on occasion ala Suggs in the Championship games.. most of the time Brackens came off the right side of the offense.. but that wasn't completely static either.

That was part of the linebacker project.. in which I am projecting that Kampman will be used from the exterior.. another name that floats out there is Adailus Thomas.. at 6-2 270.. playing out in space.

I went back and started looking for players that fit the mold of Kampman and that played in Capers system under him.. Brackens came close to the mold.. thought it was interesting.

"The oranges are dry; the apples are mealy; and the papayas... I don't know what's going on with the papayas!"

HoustonMatt
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15 years ago

Excellent comp. It's right on point with the thread I started about different 3-4 schemes and different body types that can work within a scheme. I think our original panic (myself included) about certain players - particularily Kampman - not being a fit for this defense were a bit overblown. Most of us are pretty new to the 3-4 though and we all seem to be learning nicely.

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Pack93z
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15 years ago

Hey.. looks like someone else is thinking in those terms as well.. did a search for Brackens and hit this article.

More here....

Although some will question whether Kampman can make the transition to outside linebacker in a 3-4, the two-time Pro Bowl pick shouldn't have any trouble developing into a potent outside rusher. He already has 50.5 career sacks, including 37 in the past three seasons, and is a high motor player with the skills to be an impact player off the edge. Besides, Capers successfully transformed other defensive ends into productive outside linebackers in his scheme. He used a similar tactic at Jacksonville in 1999 with Tony Brackens, who finished with 12 sacks that season.

And Matt... HoustonMatt.. here is another read.. (yes call it a selfish plug) .. lol.

http://www.packershome.com/index.php?name=ForumsPro&file=viewtopic&t=3541

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DakotaT
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15 years ago

What happens when Kampmann has to pick up a tight end or running back in coverage? I like the feel good thing but I hope none of you think that OLB position has no coverage responsibilities.

HoustonMatt
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15 years ago

What happens when Kampmann has to pick up a tight end or running back in coverage? I like the feel good thing but I hope none of you think that OLB position has no coverage responsibilities.

"DakotaT" wrote:

There's a lot of different options, but think of it this way. In a 4-3, who would pick up that TE or RB? One of the 3 LBs. In a 3-4, there are still 3 other LBs to handle that responsibility. If Kampy plays weak side, he would not be responsible for a TE and if a RB goes into a route, one of the ILB can pick him up, still allowing Kampy to move at the QB.

Of course, that's in man coverage, but you get the idea.

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Pack93z
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15 years ago

What happens when Kampmann has to pick up a tight end or running back in coverage? I like the feel good thing but I hope none of you think that OLB position has no coverage responsibilities.

"DakotaT" wrote:

Of course not.. but honestly, do you believe that we will be asked to man up cover a TE?

Let pretend for a moment that Barnett takes one of the inside spots, (suspect in shedding blocks but anyway).. if Kampy doesn't have rush responsibility on that given play, don't you believe that he will be asked to drop into a zone and if you want to man up the TE that Barnett or the other interior backer will be asked to pick that coverage up?

I think the days of asking our Backers to man cover everything out of the backfield ceased with the release of Sanders.. most defenses don't put the type of coverage responsibility upon the backers each and every freaking play.

But Dakota.. to your question.. if Kampy is dropping into a ton of coverages then I will have just about a large of problem with Capers scheme as I did with Sanders man up rule for the backers.. disguise the coverages and protect the weak spots in the personnel.

I can't wait til we start playing a game of chess with the OC within a game again.. that is half of my fun in watching defenses play.. the game within the game so to speak.

"The oranges are dry; the apples are mealy; and the papayas... I don't know what's going on with the papayas!"

DakotaT
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15 years ago

#10

What happens when Kampmann has to pick up a tight end or running back in coverage? I like the feel good thing but I hope none of you think that OLB position has no coverage responsibilities.

"HoustonMatt" wrote:

"DakotaT" wrote:

Well, then the best comparison is Vrabel in New England not Tony Brakens. I have no problem with this defense, but I'm real skeptical about how Kampmann fits in.

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