I'll be impressed if Tolzien even nets any kind of draft pick in a trade. I doubt it. The Packers would have likely taken an offer this season with the addition of Hundley if one occurred. He's an average career backup, at best. Regardless if one thinks that Tolzien could have played as well (or as poorly) as Aaron Rodgers has for parts of this season, he's not as good of a QB and that's the bigger point. Rodgers will play through his issues and return to form. Tolzien will always be an average backup. Any sane coach would stick with his star and hope for improvement. Actually, a really good coaching staff would force the issue and find ways to correct the problems.

Originally Posted by: DoddPower 

I'd put Tolzien on par with Hasselbeck.

Originally Posted by: nerdmann 

I'd put Tolzien on par with Hasselbeck.

Originally Posted by: nerdmann 

There have been a few, a very select few who believe Scott Tolzien can’t play as well as Aaron Rodgers did over the last 6 games. Stop. Just stop it.😂

In 1st Det game. From the 17 GB dinked and dunked their way to Det 26 to a 3rd and 3. Aaron Rodgers perfect executed an unstoppable game plan perfectly and not a single throw over 6 yards. Now please point out which one of those throws Tolzein couldn’t make?

On 3rd and 3 Det. rushes 3. Aaron Rodgers has Cobb, Rodgers, Jones that can all be thrown open for 1st; Aaron Rodgers has all day and could wait for Starks to come open covered by LB on left; he could have waited for Cobb, Rodgers and Jones to make a second move; he could have easily run for the 3 yards; but instead Aaron Rodgers leaves the game plan and goes for TD to Adams. A perfect 30 yard laser throw is required, a throw Aaron Rodgers can make especially with no pressure. Tolzein can’t make this throw! But guess what? Aaron Rodgers didn’t make the throw either. And a long FG is tried.

Tolzein couldn’t make the throw; but he wouldn’t have even tried because he knows his limitations and Tolzein would have gotten the first down, either by running throwing a guy open or waiting for second moves.

This is not speculation because we have what Tolzein did in 2013 and can project adding 2 solid preseasons and his becoming 2more years familiar w/ the playbook. In 2013, He signed as 3rd string right before first game so he had no time to learn the playbook and probably didn’t get a single snap with first team until Aaron Rodgers went out w/ collar bone injury. Then probably all the first 1st team snaps went to get Wallace ready. Tolzein got starts in NYG and Minn. He should be evaluated on only those pass plays that were scripted and this will give us idea of how he would perform today [only better because he has 2 full years in the system].

In the first half in NY: Tolzein was 7-10 for 131 [P-Rating =112]. Running: GB was 9-13. His OL rookie Baktieri, Sitton, EDS, Lang, Newhouse!

In Minn. Audie Cole cane through A gap untouched on 1st play of game for 7 yard sack, killing first drive [a 3 and out]. On second drive a beautiful 11 play 87 yard drive 5 1st downs, 3 passing, 2 by run [one by Tolzein] capped by Tolzein running 6 yards into EZ.

Tolzein knew very little of playbook. The small part he knew, and did not know that with 100% proficiency, this is what he did.

After 2 very good preseaons and 2 years in playbook; if you think that Tolzein cant run this offense better than Aaron Rodgers over the past 6 weeks, you’re a...you’re a...well, you’re a fan and entitled to that baseless, factless and feckless opinion. And know if any tries to take that opinion from you, I will fight them! You are entitled to that Opinion as well as having a sphincter.

Think about this: Flynn played darn good in this system; and totally sucked in several other stops. Seneca Wallace in his only start was perfect 5-5-25 and playing within gameplan drove 9 plays 44 yards and drive stalled only after he got hurt and Crosby missed a FG. Aaron Rodgers has missed several games numerous times with injury; until last year; he wont come out now when injured. Maybe, just maybe, Aaron Rodgers isn’t as good as some think and maybe Aaron Rodgers knows Tolzein’s performance would expose this.

Originally Posted by: Barfarn 

Deja Vu man, I swear we spent 6 pages on this in a similar thread.



Wow, just wow. You have to be joking right? Everything is wrong. Your first sentence claims that the vast majority of this site agrees with you. Disagree.

You claim that Tolzien would have made specific plays in specific situations that Rodgers did not. Complete speculation.

You claim you are not speculating, then try to back that up by providing statistics that are insignificant based on sample size. When I consistently used passer rating as an argument in the previous thread you blew me off. Now that you find 1 half in 1 game that Tolzien produced a passer rating that was 112 its relevant? Aaron Rodgers CAREER passer rating is 105.1. Rodgers has played in 122 NFL games compared to Tolzien's 3. You tell me which is a more relavant statistic. Disagree.

You claim that my opinion is "baseless, factless, and feckless" and then provide ZERO FACTS to argue yours.

Mentioning the fact that Seneca Wallace started a game for the Packers is cruel.

Your either Tolzien himself, related/friends with Tolzien, or crazy.

Originally Posted by: voiceofreason 

More amusing shit. When I was their age, I spent all my spare time getting laid. These guys ponder on whether or not to bench a future first ballot hall of fame quarterback. Bitch slapping should commence.

And VOR, I sure hope fans of other teams don't read this stuff, because a thread like this one would cement the petulant Packers fan as a completely proven theorem.

Originally Posted by: DakotaT 

Not saying Aaron isn't good enough. I'm saying, he needs to get it together.

Originally Posted by: nerdmann