Zero2Cool
6 years ago
Others have said these two deserve a lot of credit for the Packers offensive success. I'm starting to lean more towards that. I'm not saying individually they are elite, but I think the combination of Clement, Philbin and McCarthy was the recipe for the really good offensive outputs.
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gbguy20
6 years ago
Our offense has been shit since they left, in comparison anyways.
uffda udfa
6 years ago
Rodgers was very fond of Clements. I doubt he'd be fond of a coach who was terrible. Have never ever heard Rodgers is fond of Mike McCarthy. Don't recall 12 saying anything about Philbin and his influence but I may have missed it.

Something is rotten in Denmark. Someone somewhere needs to start figuring out who/what that is and remedy it.
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Ted Thompson sits on his hands per former GM: "because they’ve had 25 fricking years of great quarterbacks. Of course it works. Try it without a special quarterback."


PackFanWithTwins
6 years ago
I think Clement is the reason for Rodgers development more than anybody other than Rodgers himself.

The real reason for this teams success was the result of 4 Draft picks in 4 years.

2005 - Aaron Rodgers
2006 - Greg Jennings
2007 - James Jones
2008 - Jordy Nelson.

When the were playing together, the offense was pretty. As we have lost them slowly the WR group has become weaker and instead of planned offensive plays, we have grown more and more dependent on Rodgers extending plays and getting free plays.
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Zero2Cool
6 years ago

Rodgers was very fond of Clement. I doubt he'd be fond of a coach who was terrible. Have never ever heard Rodgers is fond of Mike McCarthy. Don't recall 12 saying anything about Philbin and his influence but I may have missed it.

Something is rotten in Denmark. Someone somewhere needs to start figuring out who/what that is and remedy it.

Originally Posted by: uffda udfa 



He is very fond of Ruvell Martin too and he isn't great. You do realize that people can be very fond of others without some superficial agenda. I'm fond of you, and you suck at posting!!! 🤤 🤤 🤤 (it's a joke, relax)
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nerdmann
6 years ago

He is very fond of Ruvell Martin too and he isn't great. You do realize that people can be very fond of others without some superficial agenda. I'm fond of you, and you suck at posting!!! 🤤 🤤 🤤 (it's a joke, relax)

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 



Rodgers was fond of Clements, because he developed a diva attitude and wanted to freelance all the time with these "sandlot" plays. He still wants to do that, but now Clements isn't calling it in the huddle.
“Winning is not a sometime thing, it is an all the time thing. You don't do things right once in a while…you do them right all the time.”
uffda udfa
6 years ago

He is very fond of Ruvell Martin too and he isn't great. You do realize that people can be very fond of others without some superficial agenda. I'm fond of you, and you suck at posting!!! 🤤 🤤 🤤 (it's a joke, relax)

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 



I applaud you for the Ruvell reference. I thought of him as I was typing and thinking nobody would call me on him. Player vs. coach. Rodgers also loves Brett Goode. Not sure that is signing off that 12 thinks he's a huge boon to our franchise but rather a personal relationship. I think it would be very hard for 12 to speak fondly of someone he thought sucked as a coach while liking him personally. That is why I don't think he speaks about McCarthy. I get the sense 12 neither likes him personally or professionally.

Ruvell= Personal

Clements= Personal and professional

MM= Neither

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beast
6 years ago

Others have said these two deserve a lot of credit for the Packers offensive success. I'm starting to lean more towards that. I'm not saying individually they are elite, but I think the combination of Clement, Philbin and McCarthy was the recipe for the really good offensive outputs.

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 



I disagree, IMO the recipe for the really good offensive outputs was good development of talented players. The Packers either haven't had as talented players, or haven't developed them as well.

Packers had Jennings, Nelson, slower Jones, ageing Driver and Finley...
now they have aging Nelson, Cobb, slower Adams and blocker Bennett?

Packers WR development dropped off when WR coach Jimmy Robinson left.

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beast
6 years ago

I applaud you for the Ruvell reference. I thought of him as I was typing and thinking nobody would call me on him. Player vs. coach. Rodgers also loves Brett Goode. Not sure that is signing off that 12 thinks he's a huge boon to our franchise but rather a personal relationship. I think it would be very hard for 12 to speak fondly of someone he thought sucked as a coach while liking him personally. That is why I don't think he speaks about McCarthy. I get the sense 12 neither likes him personally or professionally.

Ruvell= Personal

Clements= Personal and professional

MM= Neither

Originally Posted by: uffda udfa 

This is all about your sense... and your sense is everything the Packers current management does is wrong... so of course your sense tells you all the current management are un-liked.

In other words, you're a homer for change.
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uffda udfa
6 years ago

This is all about your sense... and your sense is everything the Packers current management does is wrong... so of course your sense tells you all the current management are un-liked.

In other words, you're a homer for change.

Originally Posted by: beast 



Yes. WHY would that be? I've spoken about why questions. Always ignored. Why does uffda desire change so badly? WHY? Do you know the answer? I'd like to see 12's career not end with just one Lombardi. You don't waste the GOAT like that when one of his only true peers has FIVE SB RINGS. One guy, Brady...got so much better. You want to label me like that, I'm all for it but you better add the context of WHY. Again, this forum loves trying to put things out there into these realms of mystery with no context. It never likes assigning context.

Slowly... I want change because our current regime is not qualified to lead us to another Lombardi. 12 has limited time left. I feel even more urgency now than previous years as he is now older and has been injured again. He's moving into Romo territory. The clock is ticking with him. If I don't think Ted Thompson and Mike McCarthy are winners, and I don't, why wouldn't I want change?

Let's get to it...You think Ted Thompson and Mike McCarthy are winners and are right for the org. WHY? I just told you why I don't think they are and have been consistently on message for years with no wavering.

Tell me...WHY?


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