DoddPower
5 years ago

I think there comes a point where too much change begins to erode the possibility of improvement.
There is a new OC.
There is a revamped offensive playbook.
There is no longer Jordy.
There is now Graham.
Without anything else happening that's a lot of change. Now if you consider adding Bryant and cutting Cobb....wow. Do they really need to go that far? I hope not.

I hope that the new OC and offensive plan will help Cobb and Graham will prove to be a good signing. At least I believe that's been part of the plan all along. That would leave the only hole at the #3 wr position with about 8 players trying to win that spot. I don't see the need for a whole lot more change to end up starting the season in very good shape with our passing game.

Not to forget they need to have a hot start this year the way the schedule is set up. They need to win early and often before that very tough middle of season schedule. They don't have the luxury of time to work their way into becoming familiar with one another.

They've made plenty of changes between players, coaches, and playbook. More than this offense has seen in many years combined. Find a viable #3 and get to work and they will be fine.




Originally Posted by: warhawk 


Good points, but that "#3" could end up the #1 sooner rather than later, considering Adams injury history. I don't consider Graham a #2 WR, and I'm hard pressed to call Cobb anything more than a decent slot receiver. Therefore, the Packers aren't far away from a rookie or Allison being the #1 and/or #2 WRs. Scary.

With that being said, ultimately Bryant likely isn't the answer. But if Adams goes down with another concussion at any point in the season, it sure would be nice to have him.
nerdmann
5 years ago

Good points, but that "#3" could end up the #1 sooner rather than later, considering Adams injury history. I don't consider Graham a #2 WR, and I'm hard pressed to call Cobb anything more than a decent slot receiver. Therefore, the Packers aren't far away from a rookie or Allison being the #1 and/or #2 WRs. Scary.

With that being said, ultimately Bryant likely isn't the answer. But if Adams goes down with another concussion at any point in the season, it sure would be nice to have him.

Originally Posted by: DoddPower 



I’m leaning that way myself.

Bryant is a head case, but in a good way. He wants to win.
“Winning is not a sometime thing, it is an all the time thing. You don't do things right once in a while…you do them right all the time.”
DoddPower
5 years ago

I’m leaning that way myself.

Bryant is a head case, but in a good way. He wants to win.

Originally Posted by: nerdmann 



Yeah, Bryant might not be the guy, but the Packers need more passion. Badly. Overall, they are a very ho-hum team lately.
Zero2Cool
5 years ago
I have what I would assume most say is an unhealthy dislike for Cowboys in the general sense. So, I have to ask, what has Dez Bryant actually DONE that makes him a headcase and such an awful teammate? I have to ask because I've not been able to find out much other than a player who has a helluva fiery passion to win.
UserPostedImage
warhawk
5 years ago

Good points, but that "#3" could end up the #1 sooner rather than later, considering Adams injury history. I don't consider Graham a #2 WR, and I'm hard pressed to call Cobb anything more than a decent slot receiver. Therefore, the Packers aren't far away from a rookie or Allison being the #1 and/or #2 WRs. Scary.

With that being said, ultimately Bryant likely isn't the answer. But if Adams goes down with another concussion at any point in the season, it sure would be nice to have him.

Originally Posted by: DoddPower 


It's crazy how fast things can change. IF they went the route of cutting Cobb and signing Bryant and Adams did happen to go down Arod would not have one starter from '17 on the field. Not one. I get that it would be good to have Bryant if Adams goes down but this scenario is scary in it's own right.

Still, as scary as these scenarios may sound it's not like they are void of talent and options. Graham is really just a huge WR labeled a TE and they have Montgomery who will certainly be utilized in the passing game. They can run umpteen different passing formations and with Rodgers ability to diagnose defenses he will find their weakness'.
No doubt, however, a couple of these other receivers need to step up or Gute will have to make a move somewhere. They have thrown enough at the wr position that it warrants letting it work itself out before jumping off in another direction this early.




"The train is leaving the station."
nerdmann
5 years ago

I have what I would assume most say is an unhealthy dislike for Cowboys in the general sense. So, I have to ask, what has Dez Bryant actually DONE that makes him a headcase and such an awful teammate? I have to ask because I've not been able to find out much other than a player who has a helluva fiery passion to win.

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 



He gets pissed when the team is not winning. He calls people out.

How many times have we seen Mike’s teams come out flat and unemotional in extremely meaningful games (and regular games as well?)

Dez isn’t the most precise route runner though. Also not a guy wih deep speed, per se.
“Winning is not a sometime thing, it is an all the time thing. You don't do things right once in a while…you do them right all the time.”
DarkaneRules
5 years ago
When Brady does it, he's passionate. When Dez does it, he's a headcase. Hmm...
Circular Arguments: They are a heck of an annoyance
Zero2Cool
5 years ago

He gets pissed when the team is not winning. He calls people out.

How many times have we seen Mike’s teams come out flat and unemotional in extremely meaningful games (and regular games as well?)

Dez isn’t the most precise route runner though. Also not a guy wih deep speed, per se.

Originally Posted by: nerdmann 



He gets pissed when the team isn't winning? GOOD! He should get pissed! Everyone should be pissed!

Dez won't beat you deep? What do you qualify as deep? Each season since he's been in the NFL he's had at least a long of 46 yards with season longs since his rookie season as follows. 46, 50, 85, 79, 68, 51, 56 and 50 yards. He's had 73 receiving touchdowns in 113 games.

I'm not trying to be his agent here, but I think he can beat you deep. Then again, he hasn't caught a pass longer than 68 yards since 2014.

I know we all say the same damn thing... for the right price, blah blah stfu blah. I really believe Adams, Cobb and Graham are going to make things so easy on the rest of the WR's that we don't need Dez Bryant. Especially since he's probably going to want at least $5 million a year.


I also wouldn't get rid of Randall Cobb for Dez Bryant either. While I have read players say Bryant is a good teammate, I feel Cobb is a better leader.

I have to say no to Dez.

Not because I think he's a "headcase" or any of that, because honestly, I don't think he is. I just rather see that money used to re-sign Muhammad Wilkerson, HaHa Clinton-Dix, or even Clay Matthews or Randall Cobb using some of that 2018 cap left over for the 2019 folks.
UserPostedImage
nerdmann
5 years ago

He gets pissed when the team isn't winning? GOOD! He should get pissed! Everyone should be pissed!

Dez won't beat you deep? What do you qualify as deep? Each season since he's been in the NFL he's had at least a long of 46 yards with season longs since his rookie season as follows. 46, 50, 85, 79, 68, 51, 56 and 50 yards. He's had 73 receiving touchdowns in 113 games.

I'm not trying to be his agent here, but I think he can beat you deep. Then again, he hasn't caught a pass longer than 68 yards since 2014.

I know we all say the same damn thing... for the right price, blah blah stfu blah. I really believe Adams, Cobb and Graham are going to make things so easy on the rest of the WR's that we don't need Dez Bryant. Especially since he's probably going to want at least $5 million a year.


I also wouldn't get rid of Randall Cobb for Dez Bryant either. While I have read players say Bryant is a good teammate, I feel Cobb is a better leader.

I have to say no to Dez.

Not because I think he's a "headcase" or any of that, because honestly, I don't think he is. I just rather see that money used to re-sign Muhammad Wilkerson, HaHa Clinton-Dix, or even Clay Matthews or Randall Cobb using some of that 2018 cap left over for the 2019 folks.

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 



My main concern is Davante’s concussion history. It’s obvious that teams (the Vikings, for instance) are going to continue taking cheap shots at Davante’s helmet. It is also clear that the Packers aren’t going to do anything about it.

The Packers need speed, but they also need perimeter guys. Cobb is not that. If Davante goes down, our #1 is Ty Montgomery. Remember last year when the CBs started dropping like flies?

I don’t view Dez as Jesus, but he’s an option.
“Winning is not a sometime thing, it is an all the time thing. You don't do things right once in a while…you do them right all the time.”
Cheesey
5 years ago
Sign the guy! We NEED some passion on this team!
And he knows his time is short to win a ring.
I think some don’t want him because he was a Cowboy. Well, Woodson was a Raider, and Reggie White was a Eagle. If they helped us, who CARES what team they WERE on?
If you are a Packer NOW, and help us win, then I am your fan.
UserPostedImage
Fan Shout
Martha Careful (10-May) : 1. this is true of all our linemen. 2. His run block is fine. 3. If all OL played like he has, we would win SB.
beast (10-May) : Meyers pass blocking is really good, his run blocking is really not.
Zero2Cool (9-May) : Packers have claimed DE Spencer Waege off of waivers from the 49ers and waived DT Rodney Mathews.
Zero2Cool (9-May) : And the OL protections seem to be good.
Zero2Cool (9-May) : I really don't know lol. I don't see him getting blown up.
Zero2Cool (9-May) : -3 buwahhhahaaha
Mucky Tundra (9-May) : 4th
Zero2Cool (9-May) : because he's 1st
Mucky Tundra (9-May) : Myers isn't even the 3rd best C on the roster atm
Martha Careful (9-May) : I am not sure I understand the Myers hate. He was consistently our third best lineman. RG and LT were worse.
beast (9-May) : Just saying I don't think moving Myers would help Myers.
beast (9-May) : Center is usually considered the easiest position physically if you can handle the snap stuff.
Mucky Tundra (8-May) : Bust it is then
Zero2Cool (8-May) : Context. Sounds like Myers won't be cross-trained. C or bust.
Mucky Tundra (8-May) : @BookOfEli_NFL Packers pass game coordinator, Jason Vrable said that Jayden Reed and Dontayvion Wicks shared a placed in Florida while train
Mucky Tundra (8-May) : For now...
Zero2Cool (8-May) : Packers go about evaluating their "best five," OL coach Luke Butkus makes on thing clear: "Josh Myers is our center."
beast (8-May) : Though I'm a bit surprised letting go of CBs, I thought we needed more not less
beast (8-May) : It was confusing with two DB Anthony Johnson anyways
Zero2Cool (8-May) : Packers actually had Ray Lewis on the phone.
Zero2Cool (8-May) : Packers wanted to draft Ray Lewis. Ravens stole him.
Martha Careful (6-May) : Happy 93rd Birthday to the Greatest Baseball Player of All-Time...Willie Mays
Zero2Cool (6-May) : Walter Stanely's son
buckeyepackfan (6-May) : and released CB Anthony Johnson and DL Deandre Johnson and waived/injured WR Thyrick Pitts (thigh-rick).
buckeyepackfan (6-May) : The Green Bay Packers have signed WR Julian Hicks, OL Lecitus Smith (luh-SEET-us) and WR Dimitri Stanley
Zero2Cool (6-May) : Petty, but it's annoying me how the NFL is making the schedule release an event.
Mucky Tundra (4-May) : @mattschneidman Matt LaFleur on how he tore his pec: “Got in a fight with the bench press. I lost.”
Zero2Cool (3-May) : Jordan Love CAN sign an extension as of today. Might tak weeks/months though
TheKanataThrilla (3-May) : Packers decline 5th year option for Stokes
Mucky Tundra (3-May) : @ProFootballTalk Jaylen Warren: Steelers' special teams coach has discussed Justin Fields returning kicks.
Zero2Cool (2-May) : Season officially ending tonight for Bucks ... sad face
Zero2Cool (2-May) : Giannis Antetokounmpo is listed as out for tonight's game.
dfosterf (2-May) : Surprisingly low initially is my guess cap wise, but gonna pay the piper after that
dfosterf (2-May) : The number on Love is going to be brutal.
Zero2Cool (2-May) : May 3rd. Extension day for Jordan Love. (soonest)
Zero2Cool (1-May) : USFL MVP QB Alex McGough moved to WR. So that's why no WR drafted!
earthquake (1-May) : Packers draft starters at safety ever few years. Collins, Clinton-Dix, Savage
beast (1-May) : Why can't the rookies be a day 1 starter? Especially when we grabbed 3 of them at the position
dfosterf (1-May) : Not going to be shocked if Gilmore goes to the Lions.
dfosterf (1-May) : I hear you dhazer, but my guess would be Gilmore Colts and Howard Vikings from what little has been reported.
Mucky Tundra (30-Apr) : S learn from McKinney who learns from Hafley who learns from the fans. Guaranteed Super Bowl
Zero2Cool (30-Apr) : could*
Zero2Cool (29-Apr) : Safeties should learn from Xavier.
dhazer (29-Apr) : And what about grabbing a Gilmore or Howard at CB ? Those are all Free Agents left
dhazer (29-Apr) : out of curiosity do they try and sign Simmons or Hyde to let these young safeties learn from, they can't be day 1 starters.
Zero2Cool (29-Apr) : I miss having Sam Shields.
Zero2Cool (29-Apr) : Not that he's making excuses, just pointing it out
Zero2Cool (29-Apr) : That's for dang sure. Make our erratic kicker have no excuse!
packerfanoutwest (28-Apr) : having a great long snapper is gold
Zero2Cool (28-Apr) : LaFleur looking like he had some weight. Coachin will do that lol
Please sign in to use Fan Shout
2023 Packers Schedule
Sunday, Sep 10 @ 3:25 PM
Bears
Sunday, Sep 17 @ 12:00 PM
Falcons
Sunday, Sep 24 @ 12:00 PM
SAINTS
Thursday, Sep 28 @ 7:15 PM
LIONS
Monday, Oct 9 @ 7:15 PM
Raiders
Sunday, Oct 22 @ 3:25 PM
Broncos
Sunday, Oct 29 @ 12:00 PM
VIKINGS
Sunday, Nov 5 @ 12:00 PM
RAMS
Sunday, Nov 12 @ 12:00 PM
Steelers
Sunday, Nov 19 @ 12:00 PM
CHARGERS
Thursday, Nov 23 @ 11:30 AM
Lions
Sunday, Dec 3 @ 7:20 PM
CHIEFS
Monday, Dec 11 @ 7:15 PM
Giants
Sunday, Dec 17 @ 12:00 PM
BUCCANEERS
Sunday, Dec 24 @ 12:00 PM
Panthers
Sunday, Dec 31 @ 7:20 PM
Vikings
Sunday, Jan 7 @ 3:25 PM
BEARS
Sunday, Jan 14 @ 3:30 PM
Cowboys
Saturday, Jan 20 @ 7:15 PM
49ers
Recent Topics
3h / Green Bay Packers Talk / beast

3h / Green Bay Packers Talk / beast

10-May / Green Bay Packers Talk / beast

10-May / Green Bay Packers Talk / wpr

9-May / Green Bay Packers Talk / Martha Careful

7-May / Packers Draft Threads / Mucky Tundra

7-May / Packers Draft Threads / Mucky Tundra

5-May / Green Bay Packers Talk / greengold

5-May / Packers Draft Threads / wpr

5-May / Packers Draft Threads / wpr

5-May / Packers Draft Threads / wpr

5-May / Packers Draft Threads / beast

5-May / Packers Draft Threads / wpr

5-May / Packers Draft Threads / wpr

5-May / Packers Draft Threads / wpr

Headlines
Copyright © 2006 - 2024 PackersHome.com™. All Rights Reserved.