Zero2Cool
5 years ago
Sit his as on injured reserve and get high picks.

Packers QB Aaron Rodgers could be getting his top three receivers back for Monday's game against the 49ers. But following a setback last week, Rodgers is hoping to avoid going back to the bulky knee brace he used in the early part of the season.

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Edit: to avoid confusion, my post comment here is facetiously based.
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nerdmann
5 years ago
If he's not gonna execute the offense, maybe he should take a seat.
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go.pack.go.
5 years ago
Rodgers “not executing” the offense is 100 times better than Kizer “executing” the offense.
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Bigbyfan
5 years ago
Don't wanna sound like I'm attacking either of you, because I definitely respect both Zero and Nerd, but people really gotta stop overreacting this early in the season...

Do the Packers look great right now? No. However, you can make an argument that every game they've lost or tied is the Packers fault, not the other team totally over matching them.

Tie against the Vikings - Obviously the bullshit roughing the passer call cost the game, yet they still had an opportunity to win at the end with a missed field goal at the end of regulation... Packers should've won

Loss against the Redskins - Randall Cobb single handedly ended four drives. Dropped pass on third down, dropped pass on 4th down, ran the wrong route on third down, and lost a fumble... Packers should've won

Loss against the Lions - Obviously Mason Crosby's 4 missed field goals and 1 missed extra point. Add in two Rodgers fumbles and a bullshit punt call that gave the Lions three short fields to score... Packers could've won.

Are the Packers as good as I hoped? No. However, they're nowhere as bad as people are making them out to be... The Packers have the talent to be a contender, it's just a lack of execution that lost us these games.

The fact that it's the Packers miscues that are costing us games should be at least a little encouraging. (Yes I'm a glass half full fan) Only because not one team has legitimately outplayed the Packers this year. That should at least give us fans some hope that we have not seen the best that the Packers have to offer yet...

I'm not gonna jump off the bandwagon just yet... I still have hope... It hasn't even been half the season yet
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Zero2Cool
5 years ago

Don't wanna sound like I'm attacking either of you, because I definitely respect both Zero and Nerd, but people really gotta stop overreacting this early in the season...

Originally Posted by: Bigbyfan 



You're not attacking, you're not understanding, that's all. Aaron needs to be a better leader. Players are playing too tight and that's on him. WR need to earn his trust. WR get shit reactions from him. Fans wanna whine and bitch about how whomever the GM isn't doing enough for Aaron. No, it is time for Aaron to take charge and be the leader THIS team needs him to be.

If you can't see that, that's fine. I hold no ill will, but bottom line, that is the problem with this team. We play tight and without discipline. Playing tight is on Aaron. Playing without discipline is on Mike McCarthy.

But hey, I'm sure we should all just blame Ted Thompson because wow, that's the cool thing to do! (not saying you're blaming Ted Thompson, but a plethora of others STILL bitch about him)
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dyeah_gb
5 years ago

You're not attacking, you're not understanding, that's all. Aaron needs to be a better leader. Players are playing too tight and that's on him. WR need to earn his trust. WR get shit reactions from him. Fans wanna whine and bitch about how whomever the GM isn't doing enough for Aaron. No, it is time for Aaron to take charge and be the leader THIS team needs him to be.

If you can't see that, that's fine. I hold no ill will, but bottom line, that is the problem with this team. We play tight and without discipline. Playing tight is on Aaron. Playing without discipline is on Mike McCarthy.

But hey, I'm sure we should all just blame Ted Thompson because wow, that's the cool thing to do! (not saying you're blaming Ted Thompson, but a plethora of others STILL bitch about him)

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 



For me, there also is the fact that Rodgers just signed a huge contract extension. I am not really happy that management did that without seeing how he was able to play after the collar bone injury. Dude immediately almost gets another season ending injury with his knee. Some people say that the team has only Aaron and then a bunch of journeymen. I don't really agree with that but, if that is the case, it is a shitty self fulfilling prophecy that the new GM (and Aaron) should be partially blamed for. Also, screw TT.
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Zero2Cool
5 years ago
Good thing he had a brace.

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Porforis
5 years ago

You're not attacking, you're not understanding, that's all. Aaron needs to be a better leader. Players are playing too tight and that's on him. WR need to earn his trust.

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 



As I went into extensive detail with in another thread, Aaron does NOT lock in to 1 or 2 guys, and certainly not more than any other QB does. This narrative that you get ignored until you magically earn Aaron's trust and if you drop a pass or two you're back in the doghouse forever and Aaron will just ignore you is tired, old, and inaccurate and I would challenge you to back up that assertions with facts. Not a few single game anecdotes or a "HERE'S A FEW PICTURES OF WHERE THERE WAS A GUY OPEN AND HE DIDN'T THROW THE BALL TO HIM" but with actual statistics that show that Aaron Rodgers, more than most quarterbacks, ignores people he doesn't 'trust'. Not saying I'm 100% correct here, as I've only gone through a couple seasons worth of data and I haven't been able to find leaugewide statistics and I'm not going to spend hours manually compiling that myself, especially after my post was completely ignored the first time after spending about 30 minutes on it.

Here it is again. Read it. React. Come back with something tangible to counter with, not a gut feeling or a collection of visual anecdotes or quotes from players or coaches spoken to a story-hungry media. Confirmation bias is a bitch.

http://www.packershome.com/forum/posts/m402217-At-least-two-of-the-Packers--rookie-wide-receivers-look-promising#post402217 
Zero2Cool
5 years ago

As I went into extensive detail with in another thread, Aaron does NOT lock in to 1 or 2 guys, and certainly not more than any other QB does.

Originally Posted by: Porforis 

I agree with you that Aaron Rodgers does not lock into one or two guys anymore than other QB's.

This narrative that you get ignored until you magically earn Aaron's trust and if you drop a pass or two you're back in the doghouse forever and Aaron will just ignore you is tired, old, and inaccurate and I would challenge you to back up that assertions with facts.

Originally Posted by: Porforis 


What narrative? The one you just magically created to attack me with? Then get cute with challenging me for facts to support your magically created narrative? I won't because, well, it's not a narrative I believe to be true.

Not a few single game anecdotes or a "HERE'S A FEW PICTURES OF WHERE THERE WAS A GUY OPEN AND HE DIDN'T THROW THE BALL TO HIM" but with actual statistics that show that Aaron Rodgers, more than most quarterbacks, ignores people he doesn't 'trust'.

Originally Posted by: Porforis 


I'm not sure where this magically created narrative came from, but since you're attacking me, I'll add my two cents. I do believe Aaron passes up shallow open guys and goes deep at times. However, I cannot say I see in a REPLAY (usually in slow motion) that the QB should have seen the same thing. The thing about playing QB is you have progressions, you have reads, you have counter-reads and you also play the eye game, which means looking the Safety off. You mix that with being pressured and it's easy to miss an open guy. I take all of that into consideration when I believe Aaron passed up an open guy.

Not saying I'm 100% correct here,

Originally Posted by: Porforis 

I am saying you are 100% wrong for this attack based on your false narrative.

as I've only gone through a couple seasons worth of data and I haven't been able to find leaugewide statistics and I'm not going to spend hours manually compiling that myself, especially after my post was completely ignored the first time after spending about 30 minutes on it.

Originally Posted by: Porforis 

The one you linked to, I saw it and saw you were responding to Rourke. I'm not sure what you were expecting from me.

Here it is again. Read it. React. Come back with something tangible to counter with, not a gut feeling or a collection of visual anecdotes or quotes from players or coaches spoken to a story-hungry media. Confirmation bias is a bitch.

http://www.packershome.com/forum/posts/m402217-At-least-two-of-the-Packers--rookie-wide-receivers-look-promising#post402217 

Originally Posted by: Porforis 

Why are you telling me to read it? What reaction do you want from me? It's not something I disagree with or even have argued against. This whole attack is so bogus and absurdly wrong.
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Porforis
5 years ago
I think you're taking things way too personally here. If I fucked up and assume things, it's because I fucked up and assumed things, not because I think you're a jerk or I'm trying to be a jerk or anything to do with you.

You said, verbatim:

WR need to earn his trust.

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 



If what you meant by that was not "Aaron locks in on guys that he trusts, and this is a thing that not literally every other quarterback does" and/or "You get ignored until you earn Aaron's trust", then please explain what you meant. I'm sorry if I was assuming things here, but it is an extremely, extremely common narrative by about a dozen people on this forum, in the media, and widespread among the fanbase that Aaron forces the balls to his favorite players and ignores people that are wide open until he "builds trust with that receiver". If I inaccurately pinned these views on you, that's my bad. But it's really hard to tell exactly what you meant from six words of explanation. And I'd like to know what you meant.
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