True, but is that really what you want from a top 10 pick? I personally was surprised when we went with Nelson last year, so I can't imagine this. Obviously Crabtree is more of a talent, but I think we have more pressing needs that must be addressed.

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I fail to understand all this handwringing over the fact we might (okay, we would) lose Ruvell Martin if we draft Crabtree. In 4 seasons, Martin has given us a whopping 52 catches for 749 yards (14.4 ypc) and 6 (count 'em, SIX!) TDs. Even if his performance was sub-par, Crabtree could exceed those numbers his rookie season!

Packers fans get way too hung up on liking their players who are "good guys" instead of worrying about performance on the field. Sure, I like Ruvell too, but I want the Packers to be an offensive juggernaut.

Do we have other pressing needs? Yes. But the Cardinals made it to the Super Bowl last year on the backs of their offense. Their defense was dreadful. Why would we keep a guy on our roster who has averaged 1.5 TDs and 125 yards a season when we could have someone who might get us 10 or more TDs and 800 or more yards a season? There is no logic to that, only maudlin sentimentality.

Oh, and don't give me, "But Martin is an excellent blocker!" In 4 seasons, the guy has played in all of 28 games -- 7 games a season. He doesn't do that much blocking for the Packers even when he is healthy. He spends most of his time on the gameday inactive list.

I should add that I am advocating neither for nor against the drafting of Crabtree. I am only saying that "We might lose Ruvell Martin" is a TERRIBLE argument against drafting Crabtree. If anything, it's an argument FOR drafting him.

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I want Crabtree.

The more I think about it the more I believe taking B.J. Raji over Michael Crabtree would be the same as taking Vonnie Holiday over Randy Moss.

Yeah Holiday is a good player and Raji probably will be too, but Crabtree is the biggest difference maker in this draft and arguably the best overall player.

If he's there, GB should take him.

Three years from now nobody is going to remember what GB needed. They'll remember who they picked and who they passed on.

Driver is 34 and James Jones can make for good trade bait. I'm sure Bill Parcells would give up something good for the 3-4 defense for Jones.

Having Aaron Rodgers three years from now with potentially Greg Jennings, Michael Crabtree, Jordy Nelson, and Jermichael Finley would nothing short of amazing.

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Way to put your foot in your mouth on your very first post, Majikowski. To make a bold claim like that, you damn well better be able to back it up. lol

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I don't care about losing Martin. I didn't expect him back last year. My biggest problem is that the team needs O and D line. Even if Crabtree makes #3 this year. IMO the production of the passing game is not going to be improved that much. I don't think the difference between Crabtree and Jones will be that much and that is really what the change would be. Overall yes the corp depth would improve, but I don't think it would help as much as fixing the run blocking, pass protection, run defense or pass rush.

And I am all but positive that there will be a very good player that will fix one of them 4 other spots.

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People constantly forget Driver's age -- and the fact we had both Jones and Martin out most of the season with injury. Our receiving corps is not as invulnerable as people seem to think. We're one Jennings' knee injury away from mediocrity.

What do you think we can realistically get for Jones, porky?

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Well I'd have to look up and down a roster to see. I think another d-lineman would be reasonable or probably a player picked in the 3rd or 4th round that was high on the Packers radar in a previous draft.

I think GB could get a fourth rounder for Jones. Maybe even a 6th in 2010 too if we're talking draft picks.

Honestly, Jones is a nice player. He has potential and he could be great, but its' Jake Reed vs. Randy Moss all over again. Reed had four 1,000 yard seasons in a row for Minnesota and they still took Moss.

The result was 15-1 and an NFC Championship game appearance.

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I wouldn't be upset if we took Crabtree, but I don't think it's the right call. Obviously there are no guarantees with a player, and that includes him. I think they just need to address other concerns.

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Now that we're close, I changed my mind. I want Crabtree.

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Happy with the pick. : ) :thumbright:

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