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bboystyle
Member

2 years ago

With the additions this offseason (and not just the draft) our D this year might be the best we've had since 2010. Added speed along with a new ST coordinator should improve that unit as well. Most SB winning teams are good on all 3 phases of the football.

Originally Posted by: Pugger

Lets hope so because Packers havent fielded a consistent back to back good defense since 1996. Seems like every new defensive coordinator comes in and makes the defense better but then falls off the cliff the next several years until a new one comes in. Rinse and repeat.

wpr
Preferred Member

2 years ago

#12

Jaire is the only one i left out. The others did ok to good to start off but didnt make an immediate impact at a high level. I should of rephrase it as a blue collar player in a weak position of need (ie LB, WR, CB, pass rusher). Packers o line flaws have been covered up by the high play of Rodgers most of his career.

Originally Posted by: bboystyle

Almost no rookie comes in and makes a high level impact. For any team. Ever. The ones that do are few and far between. That's why Justin Jefferson stands out. He's rare and the Packers wanted him.

Zero2Cool
Elite Member Topic Starter

2 years ago

#13

I think we might need a definition of immediate impact because Clay Matthews didn't do squat until I think Week 4 or Week 5 his rookie year. 🤷‍♂️

wpr
Preferred Member

2 years ago

#14

I think we might need a definition of immediate impact because Clay Matthews didn't do squat until I think Week 4 or Week 5 his rookie year. 🤷‍♂️

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool

It's a sliding scale for whoever is trying to show the rest of the board how smart they are.

PackersNation
Registered

2 years ago

#15

I think we might need a definition of immediate impact because Clay Matthews didn't do squat until I think Week 4 or Week 5 his rookie year. 🤷‍♂️

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool

You go to the Pro Bowl in your rookie year like Clay did, and no one can ever claim you didn't have immediate impact. Don't make me pull out tape of the 2009 season.

He was a beast from the jump.

Zero2Cool
Elite Member Topic Starter

2 years ago

#16

You go to the Pro Bowl in your rookie year like Clay did, and no one can ever claim you didn't have immediate impact. Don't make me pull out tape of the 2009 season.

He was a beast from the jump.

Originally Posted by: PackerNation

Yikes, you're going to use PRO BOWL as ... wow. You the funneh.

earthquake
Member

2 years ago

#17

Originally Posted by: bboystyle

Bryan Bulaga didn't miss a beat when Mark Tauscher went down with an injury in week 4. Bulaga started the rest of the year on a team that won the Super Bowl. Hard to say he wasn't impactful. Taucher was getting up in age (as was Chad Clifton) and T was a clear need going into the draft. Bulaga was taken in the 1st round, 4th tackle off the board (2nd RT). Made the all-rookie team and was the youngest player to ever start in a Super Bowl.

Casey Hayward didn't need to start because the Packers had Charles Woodson and Tramon Williams, but he was nonetheless exceptional in his rookie year (PFF grade of 92.2). 6 INTs, 1 FF, got a few votes for defensive rookie of the year.

Eddie Lacy rushed for nearly 1200 yards and had 11 TDs his rookie year. He immediately established himself as one of the top RBs in the league, going to the Pro Bowl and getting 2nd-team All-Pro honors. The year prior the Packers trotted out broken-down versions of Cedric Benson, Ryan Grant, and James Starks. RB was a major need, Lacy was a blue-chip guy from Alabama drafted in the 2nd round - his rookie year fits your criteria to a tee.

David Bahktari replaced the garbage fire that was Marshall Newhouse at the 2nd most important position on offense. Another huge need, Bahktari brought stability to the OL that the packers hadn't had in 3 years.

Corey Linsley was so good that they traded the (also very good) center they drafted the prior year (J.C. Tretter).

Jaire - yeah, nothing needed to say there.

The Packers started Byron Bell at guard in 2018 and he was awful - G was a need. All Elgton Jinkins did in his rookie year was start 14 games and establish himself as one of the best young offensive linemen in the league.

In 2020 the Packers started Kevin King, corner was obviously a need. In 2021 Jaire missed the majority of the season. Eric Stokes got thrown at a LOT and managed an absurd completion rate of 51%. Position of need, blue-chip guy, had a great year. Check, check, check.

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warhawk
Senior Member

2 years ago

#18

I have to laugh at guys like this that are absurdly lazy when it comes down to the big picture. A good GM prepares for the future when it comes to the draft. Teams that have to rely on rookies to win the SB...don't win the SB. Yes, you hope some are good enough to start right away, however, the initial goal is adding to the depth of the team and some eventually become quality starters.
I recall an article years ago that stated the Bears had better starters than the Packers. My first thought was bull. Then I looked at this deeper and had to agree that the Bears starting 22 was, in fact, better than the Packers. I started to sweat profusely until I dug a little deeper. Low and behold the first thing I dug into was the fact that the entire backup players at OT were undrafted Fa's. What!!. Sure enough the Bears won like 5 of their first 6 games and fell off the cliff when their OL started seeing guys get hurt.
Gutey get's it. It's not about the first 53 you have available week 1. It's about the 15 or so guys that can play when guys start going down. Of course Orlavsly doesn't care enough to bother digging this deep.
By the way I don't think Mlf is worried about game planning without Adams. I think he was like 10-1 when Adams wasn't available. Just know Orlavsky is not worried about losing his job getting this totally wrong. Whether or not he will be willing to eat humble pie is another story.

"The train is leaving the station."

PackersNation
Registered

2 years ago

#19

Yikes, you're going to use PRO BOWL as ... wow. You the funneh.

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool

The Pro Bowl game itself is a joke, but being selected to the Pro Bowl is not a joke. If you get selected in your rookie year, it certainly shows you had immediate impact on your team.

Silly to argue that Clay Matthews wasn't a beast from the jump. .

So many better things to argue about, like the fact that Samori Toure has a better shot at making the final 53 than Jonathan Ford does. I hope they both look like hall of famers in camp, but I am fairly confident that Jonathan Ford will not. If he makes the 53, it will be because Rich Bisaccia feels he can get his big mitts up and block some kicks.

Zero2Cool
Elite Member Topic Starter

2 years ago

#20

Originally Posted by: PackerNation

It's not silly, it's a fact. And that is OK! He made an impact after a handful of games. Nothing to shy away from. But he did not beast from the jump, because that would mean Week 1. He didn't even earn a starting spot until like Week 5.

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