longtimefan
14 years ago

I see no benefit for not going out and pushing to get the deal done ahead of camp and not wait for the market to be set.

"IronMan" wrote:



How is there a market for Raji when he is in negotiations with only one team? Draftees are not free agents. The term "market value" does not apply to draftees.

"pack93z" wrote:



There is market value set from the previous year..

A NEW draftee doesnt have a market value I will give you that

but the slot he was picked and the position he plays in has a marketvalue from the previous year
IronMan
14 years ago

I see no benefit for not going out and pushing to get the deal done ahead of camp and not wait for the market to be set.

"longtimefan" wrote:



How is there a market for Raji when he is in negotiations with only one team? Draftees are not free agents. The term "market value" does not apply to draftees.

"IronMan" wrote:



but the slot he was picked and the position he plays in has a marketvalue from the previous year

"pack93z" wrote:


This is why rookie salaries are so ridiculous. And using what another team pays someone else as a guideline is a lazy way of determining value.
Nonstopdrivel
14 years ago
Except that it's fairly commonplace in all industries. "Competitive salary" is a euphemism for "exact market average." I agree that it's lazy, but it's hardly unusual.
UserPostedImage
IronMan
14 years ago

Except that it's fairly commonplace in all industries. "Competitive salary" is a euphemism for "exact market average." I agree that it's lazy, but it's hardly unusual.

"Nonstopdrivel" wrote:


But the difference is, draftees can only sign with team that drafted them. If they don't like the offer they get, tough shit. Owners/GMs are making this a lot harder on themselves than they need to.
Nonstopdrivel
14 years ago
Oh, I totally agree with you. NFL players used to play for far lower contracts (not only in absolute dollars, but also relative to the rest of the economy) than they do now, so I find it extremely hard to believe that many players faced with the prospect of millions would truly take the drastic step of sitting out an entire season, no matter how hardball GMs played. Even if they did, they'd not only lose out on the opportunity cost of a protracted holdout, they'd probably find themselves blackballed in the league and thereby lose out on real dollars if they were signed by another team the following year.

I think what NFL GMs are trying to forestall is a) the perception that they don't run player-friendly teams; b) creating disgruntled players who try to renegotiate their contracts at the first opportunity; and c) the public-relations backlash that ensues when such player difficulties arise. The problem is that situations b) and c) occur anyway, so what are they really afraid of? I think by throwing meat to the wolves, they're actually making them bolder.

The rookie slotting system, while needed, is realistically just a crutch for their lack of backbone.
UserPostedImage
Nonstopdrivel
14 years ago
I wonder if any player has ever tried the tactic of sitting out an entire season and then electing not to re-enter the draft, choosing instead to negotiate with teams as a free agent. In such a case, he would have a prior draft under his belt and thus wouldn't technically be an undrafted free agent, though I imagine teams would still do their best to treat him as one.
UserPostedImage
IronMan
14 years ago


The rookie slotting system, while needed, is realistically just a crutch for their lack of backbone.

"Nonstopdrivel" wrote:


Thank you! +1.
TengoJuego
14 years ago
UserPostedImage
twebdonny
14 years ago
Da GraveDigger has arrived!
www.travel-ascending.com
shield4life
14 years ago
Great news right on boys ... Time to go get the championship 🙂.
Glad To Be A Packers Fan.
Users browsing this topic
    Fan Shout
    Zero2Cool (18h) : WR Marquez Valdes-Scantling to Bills
    Zero2Cool (19h) : Jets and Aaron Rodgers open up on Monday Night Football,
    Zero2Cool (13-May) : $170 guaranteed. This might impact Jordan Love
    Zero2Cool (13-May) : Lions are signing QB Jared Goff to a four-year, $212 million extension
    Zero2Cool (13-May) : I know we moved on. That tidbit just makes me a touch happier.
    Zero2Cool (13-May) : Sources spoke of many, many times last summer where Hackett called a play, then Rodgers changed it completely at the line
    Martha Careful (10-May) : 1. this is true of all our linemen. 2. His run block is fine. 3. If all OL played like he has, we would win SB.
    beast (10-May) : Meyers pass blocking is really good, his run blocking is really not.
    Zero2Cool (9-May) : Packers have claimed DE Spencer Waege off of waivers from the 49ers and waived DT Rodney Mathews.
    Zero2Cool (9-May) : And the OL protections seem to be good.
    Zero2Cool (9-May) : I really don't know lol. I don't see him getting blown up.
    Zero2Cool (9-May) : -3 buwahhhahaaha
    Mucky Tundra (9-May) : 4th
    Zero2Cool (9-May) : because he's 1st
    Mucky Tundra (9-May) : Myers isn't even the 3rd best C on the roster atm
    Martha Careful (9-May) : I am not sure I understand the Myers hate. He was consistently our third best lineman. RG and LT were worse.
    beast (9-May) : Just saying I don't think moving Myers would help Myers.
    beast (9-May) : Center is usually considered the easiest position physically if you can handle the snap stuff.
    Mucky Tundra (8-May) : Bust it is then
    Zero2Cool (8-May) : Context. Sounds like Myers won't be cross-trained. C or bust.
    Mucky Tundra (8-May) : @BookOfEli_NFL Packers pass game coordinator, Jason Vrable said that Jayden Reed and Dontayvion Wicks shared a placed in Florida while train
    Mucky Tundra (8-May) : For now...
    Zero2Cool (8-May) : Packers go about evaluating their "best five," OL coach Luke Butkus makes on thing clear: "Josh Myers is our center."
    beast (8-May) : Though I'm a bit surprised letting go of CBs, I thought we needed more not less
    beast (8-May) : It was confusing with two DB Anthony Johnson anyways
    Zero2Cool (8-May) : Packers actually had Ray Lewis on the phone.
    Zero2Cool (8-May) : Packers wanted to draft Ray Lewis. Ravens stole him.
    Martha Careful (6-May) : Happy 93rd Birthday to the Greatest Baseball Player of All-Time...Willie Mays
    Zero2Cool (6-May) : Walter Stanely's son
    buckeyepackfan (6-May) : and released CB Anthony Johnson and DL Deandre Johnson and waived/injured WR Thyrick Pitts (thigh-rick).
    buckeyepackfan (6-May) : The Green Bay Packers have signed WR Julian Hicks, OL Lecitus Smith (luh-SEET-us) and WR Dimitri Stanley
    Zero2Cool (6-May) : Petty, but it's annoying me how the NFL is making the schedule release an event.
    Mucky Tundra (4-May) : @mattschneidman Matt LaFleur on how he tore his pec: “Got in a fight with the bench press. I lost.”
    Zero2Cool (3-May) : Jordan Love CAN sign an extension as of today. Might tak weeks/months though
    TheKanataThrilla (3-May) : Packers decline 5th year option for Stokes
    Mucky Tundra (3-May) : @ProFootballTalk Jaylen Warren: Steelers' special teams coach has discussed Justin Fields returning kicks.
    Zero2Cool (2-May) : Season officially ending tonight for Bucks ... sad face
    Zero2Cool (2-May) : Giannis Antetokounmpo is listed as out for tonight's game.
    dfosterf (2-May) : Surprisingly low initially is my guess cap wise, but gonna pay the piper after that
    dfosterf (2-May) : The number on Love is going to be brutal.
    Zero2Cool (2-May) : May 3rd. Extension day for Jordan Love. (soonest)
    Zero2Cool (1-May) : USFL MVP QB Alex McGough moved to WR. So that's why no WR drafted!
    earthquake (1-May) : Packers draft starters at safety ever few years. Collins, Clinton-Dix, Savage
    beast (1-May) : Why can't the rookies be a day 1 starter? Especially when we grabbed 3 of them at the position
    dfosterf (1-May) : Not going to be shocked if Gilmore goes to the Lions.
    dfosterf (1-May) : I hear you dhazer, but my guess would be Gilmore Colts and Howard Vikings from what little has been reported.
    Mucky Tundra (30-Apr) : S learn from McKinney who learns from Hafley who learns from the fans. Guaranteed Super Bowl
    Zero2Cool (30-Apr) : could*
    Zero2Cool (29-Apr) : Safeties should learn from Xavier.
    dhazer (29-Apr) : And what about grabbing a Gilmore or Howard at CB ? Those are all Free Agents left
    Please sign in to use Fan Shout
    2024 Packers Schedule
    Recent Topics
    5h / Green Bay Packers Talk / wpr

    13-May / Green Bay Packers Talk / dhazer

    13-May / Green Bay Packers Talk / Zero2Cool

    12-May / Green Bay Packers Talk / Martha Careful

    11-May / Green Bay Packers Talk / beast

    10-May / Green Bay Packers Talk / beast

    10-May / Green Bay Packers Talk / wpr

    9-May / Green Bay Packers Talk / Martha Careful

    7-May / Packers Draft Threads / Mucky Tundra

    7-May / Packers Draft Threads / Mucky Tundra

    5-May / Green Bay Packers Talk / greengold

    5-May / Packers Draft Threads / wpr

    5-May / Packers Draft Threads / wpr

    5-May / Packers Draft Threads / wpr

    5-May / Packers Draft Threads / beast

    Headlines
    Copyright © 2006 - 2024 PackersHome.com™. All Rights Reserved.