Lynn_Dickey
14 years ago
A guy I work with was a starting center 20 years ago for a D-I school that ran zone blocking. Needless to say, I have picked his brain on this subject endlessly. His feelings on zone blocking are that when run correctly, its unstoppable. He said that he has heard that the same feeling about it in the pros too. BUT, he said its DIFFICULT to run correctly especially in the pros. There's techniques that D-Lineman use to "trick" the Z-Blocking set-up. (I will spare you all the analysis I learned). So...here we sit. I really think Jags knew all the ins and outs of zone blocking but I don't think anyone on the staff now does. His thoughts were that if you know 95% of how zone blocking works, you will get crushed. It's 100% or don't run it. Has anyone heard similar thoughts from guys you have run it?
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68md
14 years ago

A guy I work with was a starting center 20 years ago for a D-I school that ran zone blocking. Needless to say, I have picked his brain on this subject endlessly. His feelings on zone blocking are that when run correctly, its unstoppable. He said that he has heard that the same feeling about it in the pros too. BUT, he said its DIFFICULT to run correctly especially in the pros. There's techniques that D-Lineman use to "trick" the Z-Blocking set-up. (I will spare you all the analysis I learned). So...here we sit. I really think Jags knew all the ins and outs of zone blocking but I don't think anyone one the staff now does. His thoughts were that if you know 95% of how zone blocking works, you will get crushed. It's 100% or don't run it. Has anyone heard similar thoughts from guys you have run it?

"Lynn_Dickey" wrote:



We ran it in college my sophomore and Junior year and really could not get it down. Switched back my senior year to a power gap style and went deep in the D-3 playoffs...so yes I agree with him you have to execute it to near perfection BUT the big factor in Green Bay is Grants lack of vision.
The perfect example was the holding call on Barbe last week. It was an inside zone where Barbe had the DE cut off and a lane established and Grant cuts outside on his own...WTF it's inside zone one cut and go don't change the @!@!@ play your self !
Lynn_Dickey
14 years ago
Interesting...how much do you think it is Grant not reading correctly. Didn't Ahman run zone at Nebraska? I am not saying he's our answer...well maybe just for this year until he gets hurt.
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68md
14 years ago

Interesting...how much do you think it is Grant not reading correctly. Didn't Ahman run zone at Nebraska? I am not saying he's our answer...well maybe just for this year until he gets hurt.

"Lynn_Dickey" wrote:



Hard to put a percentage on it but if your back can't see the cutback lane or is slow to cut your kind of screwed. I don't think the long term answer at the running back position is on this team....I would like to see them give Lumpkin a shot since the Wynn experiment seems fruitless.
PackFanWithTwins
14 years ago
The big problem I have is that the team has not been able to get consistent with the scheme. Now we are mixing it up. Some Outside zone, some inside. And neither of them have been consistent. What the bigger problem is, IMO is the effect it has had on pass blocking.

If we can protect the QB, then we can play around with the run blocking. If we can't do either, we are FUBAR.
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Greg C.
14 years ago
Lynn: I agree with you that Jagodzinski may have been the only coach who really knew the ZBS, so his departure after the '06 season was a setback from which the Packers have never recovered.

For two years now, I've been hoping they just dump the scheme, but no such luck. I think the feeling among the coaches is that they've invested too much into it, especially when you consider that they have been drafting smaller, more agile linemen who supposedly fit the scheme better. Unless there is a quick turnaround, the ZBS may prove to be this coaching staff's biggest mistake.
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nerdmann
14 years ago

The big problem I have is that the team has not been able to get consistent with the scheme. Now we are mixing it up. Some Outside zone, some inside. And neither of them have been consistent. What the bigger problem is, IMO is the effect it has had on pass blocking.

If we can protect the QB, then we can play around with the run blocking. If we can't do either, we are FUBAR.

"PackFanWithTwins" wrote:




Doesn't the weather effect execution of zBS a bit as well? I'm just plain sick of it.
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nerdmann
14 years ago

Lynn: I agree with you that Jagodzinski may have been the only coach who really knew the ZBS, so his departure after the '06 season was a setback from which the Packers have never recovered.

For two years now, I've been hoping they just dump the scheme, but no such luck. I think the feeling among the coaches is that they've invested too much into it, especially when you consider that they have been drafting smaller, more agile linemen who supposedly fit the scheme better. Unless there is a quick turnaround, the ZBS may prove to be this coaching staff's biggest mistake.

"Greg C." wrote:




They've been going bigger since last year.
“Winning is not a sometime thing, it is an all the time thing. You don't do things right once in a while…you do them right all the time.”
LambeauEast
14 years ago
The ZBS needs to go! Although we all knew that already.
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chibiabo
14 years ago
:thumbright: Either the ZB's gotta go or the coaches, oh wait! Need some smart players as well as dem dere big boys that can pancake a few of them there defensive studs.
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