I agree with you on the offensive players. They get away with murder and rarely get called for it. I was afraid for a moment they were going to call PI on Woodson on the play Mason pushed him because that's how the NFL tends to call those plays. I still contend the PI penalties were both teams' fault. It was obvious what they were calling all night, and neither team seemed to care or adjust.

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I was watching NFL Network last week and they had the head honcho of officiating on and he was talking about this. What they are contemplating is giving pass interference a 15 yard penalty UNLESS the defender is just beat and grabs or tackles the guy which would be a spot of foul call.

I thought the calls were too tight. I have a problem with PI calls because way to often the receiver initiates the contact by extending their arm which is very rarely called against the offense unless it is so severe it knocks the defender off the coverage.

For me, if the offensive guy is allowed to extend his arm and makes contact and the defender reacts by putting their arms out as well it should be a no call. The problem I have with this, having played DB, is when your running stride for stride with a receiver and they stick their arm out your arms ARE coming up. It's instinct. For one thing if the receiver sticks his arm out there and is pushing back you are going to use your arm to get him off you. NORMALLY, in these games when two guys are going down field and this is going on it's not called and the one in the corner of the endzone would not have been PI IMO had they not been throwing the flag every time the ball was thrown downfield.

Tramon will be fine. He needs to knock off the arm grab but the guy is right there in such tight coverage there is contact both ways. You certainly can't knock his ability to cover. He's stride for stride nearly every time.

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If the consequences include limiting the other team to only 14 points in spite of numerous miscues by the offense and special teams, I am willing to accept them.

On a different note: I've never agreed with the "Let 'em play" argument. You have to draw the line somewhere or the receivers will get mugged on every play and the game will be boring to watch and will not reward the most talented players.

No matter where you choose to draw the line, players are going to walk the edge to try and get an advantage. Last night we saw a lot of players stepping over that line--not by much, but they did it. Tramon Williams played like crap, and he very well may be a target for the refs now. The only way to avoid that is to play clean, like he usually does.

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I'm not complaining about the arm grab calls (and one no call). The first TD break-up DPI call was based on no grabbing, just his hands slapping the guy's chest lightly and then jumping higher than him to break up the pass. IMO that's a good aggressive play. The second one, the WR tugged Tramon's shoulder pads before Tramon made any contact, and then they were just fighting - and not very hard either - to maintain the position they had.

I disagreed with at least two calls against Baltimore too.

I think part of it was also a field issue. We saw a lot of people slipping around last night, and that lack of traction gives a huge advantage to the WRs.

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I'm not entirely sure which pass interference you're talking about but it sounds like the second one. I'll give my opinion on both regardless:

The first:

Williams only contacts the receiver with his right arm before he swats the ball. He does get his arms in on the receivers arms and touches them. However, he does not hold them down. He lifts his arm up, swings towards the ball and makes contact. You can see that the receiver was able to fully extend his arms to go for the ball but Tramon deflected it.

The second:

The receiver tries to push off with his right arm, Tramon grabs it and they jostle for it. Tramon lets go as the ball approaches and swings for the ball, missing. The receiver misses the ball entirely too. If anything, they should both be called.

The Mason call:

Derrick Mason barely touched Woodson. If you go back and watch it in slow motion you can see he had very little influence on Woodson. Furthermore, receivers consistently get away with blatant pushoffs to create separation all the time. That almost never gets called.



To Whiskey,

I'm one of those guys calling for them to let them play and I've said a couple times now the Ravens had a couple calls on them that should not have been given. You are dead on about the coaches and players not making an adjustment to the way the refs were calling the game. However, the arm bar was not used in every single one of those pass interferences. Tramon did not arm bar in either of the two cases I talked about above nor did the Ravens defenders on one or two of the ones called on them. In fact, the worst calls of the night, the way I remember it, where probably one of the calls on the Ravens defenders for pass interference.




To Dfosterf,

The Ahmad Carroll analogy is premature in my opinion. I went back and looked at the play-by-play for every single one of our games this year and only found one pass interference on Tramon Williams prior to last night. He had one in the fourth quarter against Dallas for a whopping 3 yards (albeit in the red zone, Woodson picked off Romo on the next play). I don't know how you can exactly get a reputation for one game where it was clear the refs were trigger happy with the flags all night for everyone. The coaches need to tell him to drop his arm to his hip so he can just feel where the receiver is and not grab the arm. He is in decent enough position on most of these coverages and he does a good job looking back to locate the ball. That's not something you could ever say about Ahmad. He just jumped on the receivers back and went for a ride. He never looked back for the ball and never had the slightest clue what the fuck was going on.

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By rule, yes they were all correct and probably could have had another good dozen flags if they wanted.

Pass interference has become carried away. Defender flagged for "Armbar" Well how did the WR arm get their. It is called a push off which is just as illegal as PI. As a matter of fact, it is offensive PI.

Go back to allowing the hand play. Both WR and DB do it. Let the players play.

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Okay, I haven't read any other posts in this thread, so I'm just going to say what I think.

Here we go.

WHAT THE HELL HAPPENED TO THE RULE THAT STATES IF YOU'RE GOING FOR THE BALL, THERE'S NO INTERFERENCE???

On the play in the end zone where Tramon scraped the guy's chest, I think that was a terrible call. Tramon was looking back at the ball and he was going for it. However, I do believe that he was in good position to intercept the ball had he gone up for it with two hands.

I think this game was too tightly refereed and there were a lot of calls made that shouldn't have been.

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Tick for tack. I like to let the players battle. There is pushing and shoving on every contested ball if you slow down the play. We'll see how Williams plays the rest of the year. Too me, he did nothing different than what I've seen Al Harris do for along time. Perhaps, Williams doesn't get the benefited of the doubt.

At least the refs called it both ways. If you're going to call a game like that, stay consistent and they were.

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Their calling was a wash, yeah. The Ravens slung the ball downfield to take advantage of it though. That's when the refs became detrimental to the game.

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I thought most of the calls were legit but a couple had me screaming at the TV. I even got mad on a couple of calls called on the Ravens. Like the one where Rodgers through a bomb to jennings and the ravens CB just had a hand on him an they flag him. I heard on ESPN today that that officiating crew called the 2nd most penalty yards on teams this year so thats just how they roll.

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