plainly and simply, the union has said we will take pay cuts, pay our pension, and pay our insurance, but we still want to bargain a contract. Watch the news, it has been reported for days now.

Collective bargaining entails sitting down with management, and negotiating pay, retirement, insurance and grievance procedures through arbitration.

Which means an outside source will listen to both sides and decide a fair deal for both parties. It also means, the union has the ability to look at the states financial status to bargain a contract.

I just want to know how many people that hate the unions so much, were you ever part of a union?

did YOU EVER WRITE A GRIEVANCE AND go to union meetings?

"dhpackr" wrote:

I don't "hate" the unions.

I never have worked for a union, but I was on the opposing side in two plants, the management side.

Countless grievance hearings... and we tried to work through them fairly.

But a worker that had no business holding a job because of their effort, lasted far longer than they ever should have based on merit because the union had to protect them. They also failed to look at the big picture often that holding onto unproductive workers were actually putting more of their brothers and sisters that honestly put in a days work in a pinch because of the salary and productivity burdens that we placed on them because of the "turds".

When a Supervisor or we as management messed up and effected a productive worker.. I had no issue with working through the issue. But I would do that regardless of the union or not.

I guess it really depends on the situation and the management team, I know I took enough heat from my stance in working with the union verse fighting them tooth and nail on everything from the Board and Corner fourth floor office of the President.. but at the end of the day, I brought production up, cost down and generally had a solid relationship with the workforce at the Glass plant. The vinyl plant was being sold and the workers were being merged into the other plants.. the marching orders there were much different than running a productive plant, it was ramping down production, managing inventory to minimize loss and dealing with workers being displaced from their current positions.. 9 months of hating going to work, but we kept all but 3 workers out of 97. Just they whined about moving to one plant or another.

"dhpackr" wrote:

I dont hate them either..Just want to help pay for the benefits (that tax $ pay for) I shouldnt have to pay more for road construction or pick up someone esle's share

Would you want to pay someones grocery bill that is in front of you? Thats how I feel

"longtimefan" wrote:

i said all along, walker is doing this to break the union, he could care less about this state. he will fail, and it will end his career.

"dhpackr" wrote:

You have to be kidding me...that just showed up on FOX NEWS?!?!?!?! Where the hell were the producers of the show? Did Keith Olbermann drug them and drag them out behind the studio? I can not believe that Fox just had a key contributor (especially considering the left-bashing opportunities he provides after his controversial split from NPR) rationally argue a topic and ultimately side with the left. Holy cats, the end of the world must be coming tomorrow, time to fulfill my bucket list!

"musccy" wrote: