Nonstopdrivel
13 years ago

March 25, 2011
Hidden Inflation: U.S. Consumers Adjust Spending Habits Amid Soaring Prices 

[Editor's Note: This look at hidden inflation is part of a series of articles examining a rise in prices and what U.S. consumers have in store. Commodities are soaring, oil prices are surging to triple digits and rental costs are climbing. Look out for more articles on hidden inflation and learn the steps you can take to guard against it.]

By Kerri Shannon, Associate Editor, Money Morning

U.S. consumers have watched food and fuel prices eat away at their household budgets, and now those price hikes are spreading to other products - with the worst yet to come.

New York Federal Reserve Bank President William Dudley recently got a taste of public frustration with higher prices. He spoke to a crowd in Queens, New York on March 11 to tackle a mountain of food inflation questions. Dudley told the audience that while some prices are rising, other products are cheaper - like the Apple Inc.'s (Nasdaq: AAPL) latest iPad.

"Today you can buy an iPad 2 that costs the same as an iPad 1 that is twice as powerful," said Dudley. "You have to look at the prices of all things."

Dudley's comparison prompted one audience member to reply, "I can't eat an iPad."

Another asked Dudley when the last time was that he went grocery shopping.

Indeed, an affordable iPad will likely remain low on consumers' list of concerns. They are too busy deciding how to pay for gasoline and groceries.

Companies Pass On the Price Pain

The consumer price index (CPI) in February showed food-at-home prices rose 2.8% in the past year, and gasoline costs climbed a whopping 19.2%. Prices for all items rose 2.1%, but many experts consider real inflation closer to 8% -- or higher.

"My research suggests inflation is really running between 9% and 12%, which is more commensurate with what we all feel in our wallets every day," said Money Morning Chief Investment Strategist Keith Fitz-Gerald.

The producer price index (PPI), which tracks the price of goods before they reach consumers, also rose last month. U.S. wholesale prices were up 1.6% in February, doubling their increase in January and soaring past economists' estimates of 0.7%.

Higher wholesale prices are not always passed on to consumers. Retailers sometimes try to absorb the costs to keep shoppers buying their products. But with wholesale prices up 5.6% in the past year, and consumer prices only up 2.1%, businesses are running out of ways to avoid further price hikes. That means consumers have more price pain ahead.

"Price increases take some time to come through," John Ryding, chief economist with RDQ Economics, told CNNMoney.com. "But the idea that we'll dodge the prices this time around doesn't make any sense."

Wholesale food prices last month rose by 3.9%, the most since November 1974, and are up 7.3% in the past 12 months. Food prices are at their highest levels since the United Nations began tracking them in 1990.

Food prices hit their previous high in June 2008, but economists expect this current surge to be more permanent.

"The big difference today relative to the 2008 commodity rise is that underlying demand is significantly more robust. This means that price gains are more likely to stick," Joseph LaVorgna, chief U.S. economist for Deutsche Bank AG (NYSE: DB), wrote in a note.

Companies have seen shrinking profit margins as they pair record high commodity prices with higher shipping costs. They either have to find a way to balance the extra costs, or raise prices and risk losing cost-conscious consumers to other products. Businesses may be hesitant to raise prices while consumers are bargain hunting, but many are left with few other options.

"The possibility that it will be passed to the consumer is starting to grow," said Eugenio Alemn, senior economist with Wells Fargo Securities. "The U.S. economy is recovering and there is more consumption, leading firms to believe they can raise prices."

The price jumps already have started in many popular food chains:

Wendy's restaurants, part of Wendy's Arby's Group Inc. (NYSE: WEN), is only putting tomatoes on sandwiches per customer request. Starbucks Corp. (Nasdaq: SBUX) and Dunkin' Donuts have raised coffee prices as bean prices continue to surge. And Kellogg Company (NYSE: K) said it expects higher grain costs to push cereal prices up 3% to 4% this year.

Meanwhile, foodmaker General Mills Inc. (NYSE: GIS) said it expects inflation for food ingredients to climb higher this year than the 4% to 5% it previously forecast.

Analysts have long considered General Mills to be among the industry's best at handling higher commodity costs, but even that company's brass has said its shoppers won't be immune to the price squeeze.

"We need some list pricing (increases) and I think that our retail partners understand that," General Mills Chief Executive Officer Ken Powell said on a conference call.

Now consumers are starting to see more price hikes beyond the grocery store and the gas pump. February's CPI showed price gains in new vehicles, entertainment, medical care and airline fares.

Hanesbrands Inc. (NYSE: HBI) raised prices on many products last month and could do so again this summer. Cotton prices have hit record highs this year.

Appliance maker Whirlpool Corp. (NYSE: WHR) could push prices higher next month due to climbing steel costs.

Kimberly-Clark Corp. (NYSE: KMB) announced this week it will raise prices this summer in North America due to higher raw material and energy costs. U.S. consumers will see prices for products like Huggies baby wipes and diapers, Pull-Ups training pants and Goodnites youth pants go up 3% to 7%. Prices of Cottonelle and Scott bathroom tissue will also rise about 7%.

While many retailers admit that prices will rise in coming months, their desire to keep customers means steep bargains for consumers with the extra cash.

Kohl's Corp. (NYSE: KSS) plans to roll out more discount programs, like special discounts for shoppers over age 60.

"Apparel inflation is clearly real, but we believe we have had the time, the tools and the processes to work through it effectively and have a competitive advantage for both us and our consumer," said Kevin Mansell, chief executive of Kohl's.

Consumers Ready for Brewing Inflation Storm

U.S. consumers handle rising prices through a variety of tactics, such as stockpiling, sales hunting, or paring down to the bare minimum.

A survey released Monday by America's Research Group (ARG) showed about 75% of Americans were shopping less due to higher gas prices. Consumers are also cutting coupons and searching for bargains more than in prior months.

"What we are going to see happen is that consumers will try and cut back on all discretionary purchases, until finally they are going to have to make a decision at some point: what do I really have to give up?" said ARG President Britt Beemer.

Economists at Morgan Stanley (NYSE: MS) and Deutsche Bank AG (NYSE: DB) cut consumer-spending forecasts based on data showing U.S. households are using extra cash to boost savings to prepare for higher food and fuel prices, a trend likely to continue through 2011.

"If gasoline prices continue to rise, this would mean less disposable income for other retail sectors," Michael McNamara, vice-president of research and analysis for MasterCard Advisors SpendingPulse, told The Financial Times. "If consumers cut back on driving, this could put pressure on categories such as the travel industry and some segments of the restaurant sector, while benefiting online retail."

Consumers this year have already turned to bulk stores to deal with higher prices. Costco Wholesale Corp. (Nasdaq: COST) sales rose 11% in the second quarter to $20.45 billion. BJ's Wholesale Club reported a 7.4% sales increase to $2.9 billion with same store sales up 3.8%.

BJ's Chief Executive Officer Laura Sen said shopper traffic is up, especially at store locations with gas pumps.

"We also see that we've got some improved performance in member sign-ups versus a year ago, in clubs that have gas," Sen told The FT. "We see this as one of our best marketing tools, especially in a rising-price environment."

U.S. consumers are likely to hit discount chains more to trim shopping budgets. This should push some heated competition among retailers.

"Wal-Mart has a new enemy called the dollar stores," said Beemer.

Family Dollar Stores Inc. (NYSE: FDO) saw second quarter earnings rise 8.3% to $2.09 billion. Comparable-store sales increased 5.1%.

"Sales (at discount retailers) are fairly steady and are selling a lot of consumable products and a lot of necessities," FBR Focus Fund portfolio manager Brian Macauley told Reuters.


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Nonstopdrivel
13 years ago

March 17, 2011
Hidden Inflation: Why Prices Are Rising Faster Than You Think 

[Editor's Note: With every stop at the gas pump - and every trip to the supermarket - we each feel the sting of prices that are zooming higher and faster than the government would have us believe. That's why, in the weeks to come, we here at Money Morning will be creating our own "realflation" index - to give you the true inflation picture. In the meantime, in our latest installment of our "hidden inflation" series, expert Keith Fitz-Gerald offers three inflation-fighting profit plays.]

Rising prices are hitting U.S. consumers a lot harder than the U.S. Federal Reserve - or the U.S. government - would have us believe. The government-issued consumer price index (CPI) for January showed that "core inflation" - which includes prices for all items except food and energy - was up only 1% from the same month the year before.

By excluding food and energy prices, as volatile as they may be, the CPI fails to convey the pain that rising prices are inflicting on American households. Indeed, some economists have claimed that the true rate of inflation is closer to 8% or 9%.

To get a true picture of the current inflation situation - and to understand its impact and potential dangers (as well as several investment opportunities) - Money Morning Executive Editor William Patalon III sat down with Chief Investment Strategist Keith Fitz-Gerald for a question-and-answer session on the topic.

William Patalon (Q): Keith, we talk a lot about "hidden inflation." Is inflation a problem right now? If so, how bad is it? The CPI for January said 1%. Given what we see in the marketplace, it sure looks like a case of hidden inflation. What's the real rate of inflation right now, and is it at its peak, or are prices going to continue to escalate? What do all the statistics in this accompanying chart (see accompanying info-graphic) say to you?

Keith Fitz-Gerald:
Short version? The CPI is a joke. Every American knows that in reality it's far higher than that based on what they feel in their wallets every day. Even my 8-year-old son, Kazuhiko, was asking me yesterday why the Lego set he's been saving for is now $33 instead of the $22 he initially spotted a few months ago.

My research suggests inflation is really running between 9% and 12%, which is more commensurate with what we all feel in our wallets every day. As for whether or not inflation has actually peaked, that's a tough call best left to those who deal in "official" numbers - and believe me when I tell you that I'm saying that with all the sarcasm I can muster.

My view is that inflation is very real and it's already here - despite what those in Washington continue to believe ... either because their data is so heavily manipulated or because of their own deliberate ignorance. Using history as my guide, I also believe it's going to get a lot worse before it gets better.

Q: What are the big inflationary catalysts right now? And what's driving them?

Fitz-Gerald: I think there are a few, but the single-most-important contributory factor is the trillions of dollars central bankers around the world have pumped into the financial system since the crisis began in late 2007. Never mind that the crisis was caused by too much money to begin with; the central bankers have embarked on a course that ultimately risks destroying the very wealth they are trying to preserve.

Granted, 99% of Americans won't see or believe that because the markets have rebounded significantly as part of the reflation process. But they will definitely feel it.

The only reason we've been able to stave off complete inflationary disaster so far is that we've exported it to places like China, India and Brazil as part of our monetary policy, in exchange for the cheap goods we've come to depend on. However, that's coming to an end as those economies grow and begin to struggle with inflationary pressures of their own.

Eventually, inflation will come full circle and when there is no place else for us to export it, there's going to be hell to pay.

Q: How about the Middle East violence and uncertainty? How is that contributing to this?


Fitz-Gerald:
Inflation was already well under way before the powder keg there exploded, so this is not as much a primary inflation driver as most people think. That's not to dismiss it, because there is a direct relationship between scarcity and higher prices especially at the consumer level.

The key is time - and by that I mean time as in how fast prices climb and how long they stay at elevated levels.

Most companies are prepared to absorb short-term volatility. But longer-term, there is no doubt they'll pass along to consumers (you and me) the higher fuel and petroleum costs that are part of their manufacturing processes. Many, like airline and transportation companies, are already doing so. So are food suppliers and materials makers, for example.

I've noticed, for example, a dramatic price rise in what it takes for me to get home to Japan, or anywhere in the Pacific Rim this spring. My breakfast costs 60% more now than it did three years ago and my wife makes no bones about mentioning by just how much the cost of salmon has risen at our local Costco (Nasdaq: COST). Many readers have probably noticed similar things in their own lives.

But, getting back to the Middle East ... the risk there is that the unrest that's right now confined to a couple of countries spreads to the greater region ... where we're talking about 60% of the world's oil supply being potentially at risk. I've diligently prepared our Money Morning and Money Map Report readers for this over the past 12 months and we've already profited significantly from our actions. But - and I can't say this strongly enough - the game is just getting started.

Q: What's the end-game here? By that I mean, what's the potential fallout? Could it stall the recovery? With unemployment still up in the 9% neighborhood, are we in danger of experiencing a 1970s-style period of "stagflation?" If that occurs, what's the outcome you see there?

Fitz-Gerald: I don't think the end game is as clear-cut as many people would like to believe.

On one hand, the laws of money are immutable, so we will have to pay the piper, but let's not forget we have virtually the entire G-20's banking apparatus playing against that possibility. They're obviously well-intentioned. But it's all theory. T hey are complete economic morons when it comes to real money.

That's a strong statement, so let me give you an example. New York Fed President William Dudley recently told business leaders that inflation was not a big deal, especially food inflation. He noted that people forget that even as food prices are rising, other prices are falling and mentioned the new Apple Inc. (Nasdaq: AAPL) iPad 2 as an example ... which elicited guffaws from much of his audience - and downright angered the rest who challenged him by asking how long it's been since he actually went shopping.

Dudley then went on to say that "while rising prices are giving some of you [audience members] headaches, they are not likely to lead to a sustained rise in inflation to levels inconsistent with our dual mandate."

I'm not sure these guys are on the same planet as the rest of us.

By removing the freedom to fail and, instead, insisting on bailout after bailout, our leaders are propping up zombie financial institutions that will ultimately come back to haunt us. History shows unequivocally that we cannot live on "free" money forever. And it's worth noting at the risk of sounding like a broken record that no nation in recorded history has ever bailed itself out by debasing its currency on anything other than a short period of time. That's never happened - and it's not likely to.

Q: It seems to me that the U.S. Federal Reserve, which contributed to this escalation in prices with its "QE" policies, is now stuck between a rock and a hard place. The longer it maintains current policies and keeps rates at historic lows, the worse price escalation will get. But if it turns off the spigot, it risks shutting off the recovery, too. Is that how you see it?

Fitz-Gerald: I see it that way, too. By keeping rates so low for so long, the Fed is not only risking inflation, but the catastrophic collision of entitlements - like Medicare and Medicaid - to the tens of trillions related to everything from mortgage debt to personal credit cards.

I think it's a financial deathtrap, for lack of a better term. What "Team Bernanke" is doing is locking down the short end of the yield curve while leaving longer-term risks to the markets in an effort to revive consumption, inventory build-out, and other short-term "stimulus" that will - at least according to theory, anyway - translate into sustainable growth.

The problem with this is twofold. First, as long as the U.S. is in the driver's seat, Bernanke can get away with it. But we now have nations like China calling their own shots [that are] increasingly unwilling to submit to Washington's policy missives. Second, "stimulus" spending - as Washington has defined it - doesn't work.

If it did, our economy would be screaming along at 8%, or more. Instead we're like a 1970s Pinto limping along on three cylinders and risking an explosion if we get rear-ended.

In financial terms, the rest of the world is losing faith as reflected in the premiums they're now attaching to the debt they purchase. And that makes sense for the following four reasons:

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  • The Fed missed this crisis-in-formation, and even in late 2007 insisted that everything was hunky-dory. My favorite was Bernanke who fabulously stated that the risks were "contained." And we can see how accurate a call that proved to be. So if you're tempted to put your faith in Team Bernanke, ask yourself this: Given this earlier miscue, why would we believe the Fed will be able to spot the turning point when everything is "fine" and back off the quantitative easing accordingly, which is one of the central bank's key arguments for taking the actions that it has taken?

  • Our financial markets have gotten hooked on super-low interest rates in much the same way someone gets hooked on drugs. Just think about what happens when you take away the narcotics ... history suggests we'll see the same "withdrawal" in the financial markets when cheap money gets taken away. From a political standpoint, this is a real time bomb: There will be untold pressures to make sure things are really recovering before the Fed raises interest rates. Of course, what this means in practical terms is that the Fed will keep rates too low for too long - and make too much money available - until it is "sure" we're on our way. Many market-watchers, analysts and traders - myself included - believe this will inflate another financial "bubble." Truth be told, I think the central bankers have already done that.

  • An increase in interest rates will be the financial equivalent of a self-inflicted wound. It will dramatically increase our refinancing costs as borrowing costs go up. In very real terms, this will mean that banks have to potentially pay more on their deposits than they make from their investments as rates rise. Bear in mind that the Fed actually needs low rates to pay for all the debt it has pumped into the financial system. In that sense, rising rates will be like the adjustable mortgage from hell as the federal government struggles - and has to make tough choices - in an effort to service this debt.

  • And finally, don't forget that t he Fed has been buying trash as part of the bailout process - mortgage-backed securities, swaps, worthless bonds and other unconventional debt conjured up by investment banks - from Wall Street and from other parts of our economy. And while our central bankers may believe that they will be able to easily sell these assets "when the time comes," that clearly won't be the case. Think about it. Those assets will be worth less because a.) their value moves opposite interest rates, meaning any increase in rates will drive down their value, and b.) these assets were junk to start with. The banks that offloaded it to Uncle Sam are all too glad to be rid of it and I can't think of any reason why they'd take it back.[/list]

  • Folks often refer to Hollywood as "La La Land." I submit t hose folks have never been to Washington.

    Q: I've asked you this type of question before, and you always seem to have a great response. So I'm going to pose it again. If President Barack Obama and U.S. Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke hired you to help the U.S. government arrest this rise in costs, what advice would you provide? What strategy would you employ?

    Fitz-Gerald: I think the path here is very simple. But it won't be popular. And it won't be painless. I would tell the administration to:
    • End the bailouts and stop printing money. You cannot suspend free-market forces and still have the economy function. If a company is going to fail, let it fail.
    • Outlaw "non-deliverable" credit-default swaps to remove the speculative component from the debt market. By doing this, we will shift the focus of the economic recovery from Wall Street back to Main Street - where it belongs.
    • Start to raise interest rates immediately - before the market does it for you. If you wait for that to happen, you'll not only lose control of your domestic destiny, you'll lose what little global respect this economy still commands.
    • Partially tie our currency to oil and commodities - a move that's important because it will remove the uncertainty about what the U.S. dollar is actually "worth."
    • Freeze the budget and allow private sector growth to compensate. Quit trying to "help" us and get out of the way.
    • Simplify the tax code and flatten it out so that everyone contributes equally. The U.S. tax code is 8 million lines long ... need I say more?
    • Make it easier to start a business. Give people a reason to put their money to work and an environment that makes hiring people cost effective and not punitive.
    • Address Social Security - privatize it if you have to - and Medicare while you're at it.
    • And, finally, restructure the system in a way that encourages ownership and equity, instead of the current one that encourages people ... and companies ... to borrow money at seemingly ever-increasing levels. It's time to acknowledge reality.

    Q: Lastly, given what you see for the markets, could you give investors a couple of ideas as to how they should invest - both to protect themselves and, even better, to profit?

    Fitz-Gerald: You bet. In my talks around the world, I like to remind investors of an important point - it's kind of a mantra of mine: Chaos is actually opportunity in disguise. Washington is creating chaos - but from that we'll see many wealth-building opportunities arise.

    For investors, the key thing to do in the years to come is to make investment choices that can weather the storm, and profit from the opportunities that emerge. Here are some very sound choices for turbulent times:

    Altria Group Inc (NYSE: MO), recent price: $24.43: Altria is a giant cigarette producer with a 6.23% yield that's a smart choice in rough markets. You may not like smoking any more than I do, but t he firm's beta is a very low 0.47, which means the stock is slightly less than half as volatile as the broader markets. Operating margin is a healthy 39%.

    Ecopetrol SA (NYSE ADR: EC), recent price: $39.70: Ecopetrol is a vertically integrated oil company that's based in Colombia. That makes it a play on Latin America's robust growth - with a nice 2.5% dividend, to boot. This stock has a beta of 1.01 - which means it's about as volatile as the overall markets. However, I'm willing to overlook that volatility, since the company's five-year Price/Earnings/Growth Rate (PEG) ratio is 0.53 which suggests there is still good value at a fair price.

    iShares Barclays TIPS Bond Fund (AMEX: TIP), recent price: $110.09: This exchange-traded fund (ETF) invests exclusively in Treasury Inflation Protected Securities (TIPS). W hen inflation really blooms, so, too, will its share price. The yield is still 2.4%, which is not much in the scheme of things but given its ability to help hedge off rising prices, I'll take it.


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    March 17, 2011
    Hidden Inflation: Why Prices Are Rising Faster Than You Think 

    Q: . . . If President Barack Obama and U.S. Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke hired you to help the U.S. government arrest this rise in costs, what advice would you provide? What strategy would you employ?

    Fitz-Gerald: I think the path here is very simple. But it won't be popular. And it won't be painless. I would tell the administration to:

    • End the bailouts and stop printing money. You cannot suspend free-market forces and still have the economy function. If a company is going to fail, let it fail.
    • Outlaw "non-deliverable" credit-default swaps to remove the speculative component from the debt market. By doing this, we will shift the focus of the economic recovery from Wall Street back to Main Street - where it belongs.
    • Start to raise interest rates immediately - before the market does it for you. If you wait for that to happen, you'll not only lose control of your domestic destiny, you'll lose what little global respect this economy still commands.
    • Partially tie our currency to oil and commodities - a move that's important because it will remove the uncertainty about what the U.S. dollar is actually "worth."
    • Freeze the budget and allow private sector growth to compensate. Quit trying to "help" us and get out of the way.
    • Simplify the tax code and flatten it out so that everyone contributes equally. The U.S. tax code is 8 million lines long ... need I say more?
    • Make it easier to start a business. Give people a reason to put their money to work and an environment that makes hiring people cost effective and not punitive.
    • Address Social Security - privatize it if you have to - and Medicare while you're at it.
    • And, finally, restructure the system in a way that encourages ownership and equity, instead of the current one that encourages people ... and companies ... to borrow money at seemingly ever-increasing levels. It's time to acknowledge reality.

    "Nonstopdrivel" wrote:


    1. Fire Obama.
    2. Fire Bernanke.
    3. Abolish the Fed.
    4. Allow the treasury to increase the monetary base (a/k/a "high powered money") at a rate no greater than 105 percent of the previous year's rate of growth of GDP and no less than 95 percent.
    (It's not about tying money creation to the supply of any commodity. It's about tying money creation to the creation of new value in the economy. And in the 21st century, the limit on growth no longer has to be resources, I don't care what the sustainability folks tell you.)
    5. Put a sunset provision on every law that repeals the law no more than two years after enactment, and allow renewal of laws only by a supermajority of both houses of Congress.
    6. Admit that no one not yet retirement age will receive 100 % of what Social Security promised, and that no one under the age of 45 should expect a penny from funds paid in to date.
    7. Tax all money income at a flat 5%. Allow zero deductions. None of them.
    8. Only allow corporations to live as long as their original incorporators, and not allow any non-natural person to be an incorporator.
    And do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, that you may prove what is that good and acceptable and perfect will of God.
    Romans 12:2 (NKJV)
    vikesrule
    13 years ago


    1. Fire Obama.
    2. Fire Bernanke.
    3. Abolish the Fed.
    4. Allow the treasury to increase the monetary base (a/k/a "high powered money") at a rate no greater than 105 percent of the previous year's rate of growth of GDP and no less than 95 percent.
    (It's not about tying money creation to the supply of any commodity. It's about tying money creation to the creation of new value in the economy. And in the 21st century, the limit on growth no longer has to be resources, I don't care what the sustainability folks tell you.)
    5. Put a sunset provision on every law that repeals the law no more than two years after enactment, and allow renewal of laws only by a supermajority of both houses of Congress.
    6. Admit that no one not yet retirement age will receive 100 % of what Social Security promised, and that no one under the age of 45 should expect a penny from funds paid in to date.
    7. Tax all money income at a flat 5%. Allow zero deductions. None of them.
    8. Only allow corporations to live as long as their original incorporators, and not allow any non-natural person to be an incorporator.

    "Wade" wrote:



    Except for number 1 (what/who are you going to replace him with?)

    :salute:
    DakotaT
    13 years ago


    Except for number 1 (what/who are you going to replace him with?)

    :salute:

    "vikesrule" wrote:



    I think we Heil Hitler smiley. Get on it Zero.
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    1. Fire Obama.
    2. Fire Bernanke.
    3. Abolish the Fed.
    4. Allow the treasury to increase the monetary base (a/k/a "high powered money") at a rate no greater than 105 percent of the previous year's rate of growth of GDP and no less than 95 percent.
    (It's not about tying money creation to the supply of any commodity. It's about tying money creation to the creation of new value in the economy. And in the 21st century, the limit on growth no longer has to be resources, I don't care what the sustainability folks tell you.)
    5. Put a sunset provision on every law that repeals the law no more than two years after enactment, and allow renewal of laws only by a supermajority of both houses of Congress.
    6. Admit that no one not yet retirement age will receive 100 % of what Social Security promised, and that no one under the age of 45 should expect a penny from funds paid in to date.
    7. Tax all money income at a flat 5%. Allow zero deductions. None of them.
    8. Only allow corporations to live as long as their original incorporators, and not allow any non-natural person to be an incorporator.

    "vikesrule" wrote:



    Except for number 1 (what/who are you going to replace him with?)

    :salute:

    "Wade" wrote:



    Who says we need to replace him?

    Don't you ever wonder if we'd be better if the Oval Office were vacant for a few years rather than the succession of clowns we've had?

    :)
    And do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, that you may prove what is that good and acceptable and perfect will of God.
    Romans 12:2 (NKJV)
    vikesrule
    13 years ago

    [Who says we need to replace him?

    Don't you ever wonder if we'd be better if the Oval Office were vacant for a few years rather than the succession of clowns we've had?

    :)

    "Wade" wrote:



    Point taken.
    However, that would leave just Congress and the Supreme Court, so unless you are talking about getting rid of the whole kit and kaboodle ....

    Otherwise that would leave Harry Reid amd John Boehner at the helm. That is one freakin' scary shipwreck in the making.
    DakotaT
    13 years ago
    Who ever said a democracy/republic works anyway? In order for it to function properly - it's citizens need to be educated. And I'm sorry this country has a lot of uneducated people.
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    13 years ago

    Who ever said a democracy/republic works anyway? In order for it to function properly - it's citizens need to be educated. And I'm sorry this country has a lot of uneducated people.

    "DakotaT" wrote:



    Hey, if you're going to talk smack about Vikings fans put it in The Back Alley, thank you.
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    [Who says we need to replace him?

    Don't you ever wonder if we'd be better if the Oval Office were vacant for a few years rather than the succession of clowns we've had?

    :)

    "vikesrule" wrote:



    Point taken.
    However, that would leave just Congress and the Supreme Court, so unless you are talking about getting rid of the whole kit and kaboodle ....

    Otherwise that would leave Harry Reid amd John Boehner at the helm. That is one freakin' scary shipwreck in the making.

    "Wade" wrote:



    Ah...okay...add a constitutional amendment that prohibits any law having effect unless it is signed/ratified by each sitting president. And prohibit any succession to the office save by election of a majority vote of the population then of voting age.

    Oh, and eliminate all compensation for elected and appointed officials for any year that real economic growth is less than 4%. (which, by the way, it has almost never been).

    Let's see how "public spirited" these hacks are if they get no salary.

    :)
    And do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, that you may prove what is that good and acceptable and perfect will of God.
    Romans 12:2 (NKJV)
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    TheKanataThrilla (3h) : Packers decline 5th year option for Stokes
    Mucky Tundra (8h) : @ProFootballTalk Jaylen Warren: Steelers' special teams coach has discussed Justin Fields returning kicks.
    Zero2Cool (16h) : Season officially ending tonight for Bucks ... sad face
    Zero2Cool (16h) : Giannis Antetokounmpo is listed as out for tonight's game.
    dfosterf (21h) : Surprisingly low initially is my guess cap wise, but gonna pay the piper after that
    dfosterf (21h) : The number on Love is going to be brutal.
    Zero2Cool (21h) : May 3rd. Extension day for Jordan Love. (soonest)
    Zero2Cool (1-May) : USFL MVP QB Alex McGough moved to WR. So that's why no WR drafted!
    earthquake (1-May) : Packers draft starters at safety ever few years. Collins, Clinton-Dix, Savage
    beast (1-May) : Why can't the rookies be a day 1 starter? Especially when we grabbed 3 of them at the position
    dfosterf (1-May) : Not going to be shocked if Gilmore goes to the Lions.
    dfosterf (1-May) : I hear you dhazer, but my guess would be Gilmore Colts and Howard Vikings from what little has been reported.
    Mucky Tundra (30-Apr) : S learn from McKinney who learns from Hafley who learns from the fans. Guaranteed Super Bowl
    Zero2Cool (30-Apr) : could*
    Zero2Cool (29-Apr) : Safeties should learn from Xavier.
    dhazer (29-Apr) : And what about grabbing a Gilmore or Howard at CB ? Those are all Free Agents left
    dhazer (29-Apr) : out of curiosity do they try and sign Simmons or Hyde to let these young safeties learn from, they can't be day 1 starters.
    Zero2Cool (29-Apr) : I miss having Sam Shields.
    Zero2Cool (29-Apr) : Not that he's making excuses, just pointing it out
    Zero2Cool (29-Apr) : That's for dang sure. Make our erratic kicker have no excuse!
    packerfanoutwest (28-Apr) : having a great long snapper is gold
    Zero2Cool (28-Apr) : LaFleur looking like he had some weight. Coachin will do that lol
    Zero2Cool (28-Apr) : Thanks Mucky and whomever created topcos for each pick!
    Zero2Cool (28-Apr) : Insane about Kingsley
    dfosterf (28-Apr) : Putring it here so Mucky sees it. He was our guy!
    dfosterf (28-Apr) : Bowden long snapper Wisconsin. Consensus best LS in college.
    dfosterf (28-Apr) : We got Peter Bowde
    dfosterf (28-Apr) : I personally interpret that as a partial tear that can be recovered from with rehab
    dfosterf (28-Apr) : MLF said Kingsley Enagbare did NOT tear his ACL and did NOT require surgery, and that he is "looking good" for the 2024 season!
    beast (28-Apr) : T.O. son signs with the 49ers
    Mucky Tundra (28-Apr) : damn those vikings
    beast (27-Apr) : UDFA Vikings sign TE – Trey Knox, South Carolina
    beast (27-Apr) : Kitchen was all high from Miami, he was more lucky than talented in 2022 and it showed in 2023
    beast (27-Apr) : Reportedly Packers have UDFAs Jennings and Jones
    beast (27-Apr) : OL – Donovan Jennings, USF OT – Trente Jones, Michigan
    TheKanataThrilla (27-Apr) : Interesting draft. A bit shocked that we didn't select an early CB. Definitely have Safety help. Pretty happy overall.
    dhazer (27-Apr) : wow the last 2 picks are really stupid and probably will be special teams players Top 10 draft pick next year book it
    TheKanataThrilla (27-Apr) : I think he ended up with a terrible RAS score
    dhazer (27-Apr) : Anyone know what went on with Kitchens from Florida? At 1 point he was to be the Packers 1st round and he is way down the board now
    Martha Careful (27-Apr) : Z, could you please combine my thread with yours please. I obviously did not see it when I Created it
    Martha Careful (26-Apr) : Re: 'Kool-Aid' McKinstry. Other than Icky Woods, has there ever been a good NFLer with a childish nickname?
    Martha Careful (26-Apr) : Packers looking to trade up
    Martha Careful (26-Apr) : Flag?
    Martha Careful (26-Apr) : Sag?
    Nonstopdrivel (26-Apr) : It rhymes with "bag."
    beast (26-Apr) : Family? That's Deadpool's F word
    Nonstopdrivel (26-Apr) : Not THAT f-word.
    Zero2Cool (26-Apr) : fuck
    beast (25-Apr) : 49ers are Cap Tight
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