RashaanSalaami
12 years ago
Week 12 Metrics 

This is what you call a near exclusive nickel game for this defense. They didn't call one traditional run play against our base 3-4 front which we may have used on maybe a grand total of 5 snaps all game, if that. So if you think they had success running the ball (they did average nearly 6 yards a pop with running backs), that's why. The stats show they also only picked up 7 rushing first downs all game and at least one was on a Stafford scramble.

Loved the bracket coverage look we gave Calvin Johnson virtually all through the first half and even through the second. We kept him quiet and forced Stafford to beat us in other ways. I think the Lions could have had more success against this defense had Stafford made a couple fairly routine passes and a better read on the Francois pick, but that's the quarterback Stafford is right now...not great. It's the reason we can afford to play so much bracket coverage on Megatron. To his credit, Williams stepped up his game and put on a fantastic performance. The man did drop 2 easy picks though. I'm sure the guys were ribbing on him in the locker room about those. So while Stafford could have played better, our D could have had 2 more turnovers too, so take it how you want.

Woodson's in the zone right now. He's making excellent reads and taking calculated gambles. I think we're also benefiting from using him more in the role he's accustomed to playing at this point in his career...around the football and the LOS. His instincts and ball skills are still at the top of pack. He's having a legitimate Pro Bowl season again.

Loved that Shields' name was rarely called. He tends to have some of those games in him. Would love to see that man put it together consistently.

Thought Smith played very well for his first game action. Clearly looks like someone who has seen the field in his day. Looked like another Desmond Bishop out there quite honestly. Effective getting to the passer too! Would like to see more out of him. Francois looked athletic and not just on the pick play. While I want Bishop and Hawk back, I suppose I could wait and give these two another shot. I think our defense could cope without the two of them better than injuries to other positions.

Finally, Capers is really itching to use Matthews in coverage more. There's no reason he won't be an elite cover linebacker in this league (he basically is in the capacities he's used--not enough downfield video on him), but unfortunately he's also our best pass rusher, which is a slightly more valuable asset I'd say. Hope we can get another pure pass rusher and let this man patrol the underneath routes a little bit. Get him some more experience and he's going to come up with big plays in zone coverage...guaranteed.
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RashaanSalaami
12 years ago
@zombieslayer from last thread. The numbers on the far right are season totals. I should have the full season totals again next week as it is the end of the 3rd quarter.
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Nonstopdrivel
12 years ago
So if I am reading your chart correctly, opposing quarterbacks have a cumulative passer rating of 14.58 with an average of 3.25 YPA against Clay Matthews? That is mind-blowing! The only man on this defense who appears to be consistently getting lit up is Desmond Bishop, against whom opposing quarterbacks are throwing for a hefty 8.89 ypa (roughly Tom Brady's average on the season) for a passer rating of 122.4. He seems to be the one weak link on this defense.

Still, in aggregate, our starting defensive corps is holding opposing quarterbacks to a passer rating of 77.91, while our quarterback's passer rating is over 120. That is not only phenomenal, it is approaching historic.
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zombieslayer
12 years ago

@zombieslayer from last thread. The numbers on the far right are season totals. I should have the full season totals again next week as it is the end of the 3rd quarter.

Originally Posted by: RashaanSalaami 



OK, cool. So yes, Woodson is looking like he's having another Pro Bowl season. I still want him to break the pick 6 record. He's 1 away from tying, and that's one thing I want for 2011 (in order of importance - the 3 things I want is the SB win after the season, 🇦🇷 to break P Manning's single season QB rating record, and Woodson to tie the pick 6 record this year).

Yeah, it is a shame CM3 is so good in coverage. I agree that pass rushing is more important.

Bishop is probably getting beaten by TEs and underneath shots to RBs and to be fair, opposing QBs have to take what they can get. What do you do if you're a starting QB and you got T Williams and Woodson alternating on your main receivers and Shields covering your 3rd receiver? You often have to dump it off. So is Bishop "bad" in coverage or is it because QBs are taking what they can get? That's a question I have for you Rashaan.
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RashaanSalaami
12 years ago

So if I am reading your chart correctly, opposing quarterbacks have a cumulative passer rating of 14.58 with an average of 3.25 YPA against Clay Matthews? That is mind-blowing! The only man on this defense who appears to be consistently getting lit up is Desmond Bishop, against whom opposing quarterbacks are throwing for a hefty 8.89 ypa (roughly Tom Brady's average on the season) for a passer rating of 122.4. He seems to be the one weak link on this defense.

Still, in aggregate, our starting defensive corps is holding opposing quarterbacks to a passer rating of 77.91, while our quarterback's passer rating is over 120. That is not only phenomenal, it is approaching historic.

Originally Posted by: Nonstopdrivel 



Matthews, yeah, he good. He hasn't played too much man, but in the rare instances he has been counted on to do that, he's done just fine, like against Sproles Week 1.

Bishop isn't a particularly strong link in coverage. I think he's fairly overrated on this defense, but Hawk hasn't been much of a strength either. He's usually masked in coverage by Capers, which goes to show what they think of him in comparison to Bishop. Bishop is a decent guy in short zone, but I don't like the idea of having him run with his back to the line of scrimmage. Even though he's made a couple decent plays, he has been beat fairly badly.

Our passer rating differential IS ABSURD. Our defense would also look a lot better if we didn't play so lax in the 4th quarter, but I'm not complaining because it's worked well so far considering we're undefeated.
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RashaanSalaami
12 years ago

OK, cool. So yes, Woodson is looking like he's having another Pro Bowl season. I still want him to break the pick 6 record. He's 1 away from tying, and that's one thing I want for 2011 (in order of importance - the 3 things I want is the SB win after the season, 🇦🇷 to break P Manning's single season QB rating record, and Woodson to tie the pick 6 record this year).

Yeah, it is a shame CM3 is so good in coverage. I agree that pass rushing is more important.

Bishop is probably getting beaten by TEs and underneath shots to RBs and to be fair, opposing QBs have to take what they can get. What do you do if you're a starting QB and you got T Williams and Woodson alternating on your main receivers and Shields covering your 3rd receiver? You often have to dump it off. So is Bishop "bad" in coverage or is it because QBs are taking what they can get? That's a question I have for you Rashaan.

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Honestly, I think it's a little bit of both. Towards the end of games, the defenses are "lighting" up the defense underneath which is where Bishop roams. When you get the underneath crossing routes at the end of games, backers get tired and the defense already plays more loose as is. I try to not hold backers individually responsible in these instances in obvious situations.

However, I think we have also used Bishop in man coverage a good bit more than I would like to see. He isn't particularly fluid and will struggle against tight ends down the field. When you consider the mold of tight ends in this league though, I think fewer and fewer inside backers are gonna be capable of running stride for stride with them. Of course, on the flipside, QBs are probably avoiding our perimeters because of whose out there.

In short, you ask a great question, that I don't think has a definite answer.
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zombieslayer
12 years ago
Yeah, I agree.

It isn't an excuse. It just is what it is. TEs generally beat LBs in today's NFL. That's why when we have to, we'll occasionally see Woodson take out the TE. Or am I seeing things? I think I remember Woodson sliding over to cover TEs a lot.
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RashaanSalaami
12 years ago

Yeah, I agree.

It isn't an excuse. It just is what it is. TEs generally beat LBs in today's NFL. That's why when we have to, we'll occasionally see Woodson take out the TE. Or am I seeing things? I think I remember Woodson sliding over to cover TEs a lot.

Originally Posted by: zombieslayer 



No, your vision seems to be 20/20 there. Think we've seen less of it this year, but some of that is probably due to the early season injury of Tramon. That and I think we've also played more zone this year, particularly when up multiple scores as we have been quite often.
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