luigis
15 years ago
We have been playing vanilla defensa rushing 4 and dropping the other 7 players in coverage this year.
Kampy gets double or triple teamed and the rest of the line dances around.
We can't stop the run at all.

Why do we keep playing in this way?

Given that we have a lot of very good linebackers and a very thin DL without depth why don't we switch to 3-4 ? Pop - Barnett - Bishop - Hawk with Chillar in the rotation seems to be like a very elite group of linebackers.

And finally can we get the defensive green dot moved to Charles Woodson instead of Barnett? Barnett seems to be listening to music this year, maybe he is confused by the headset ?

Just some ideas....
Luis
Luis
IronMan
15 years ago



And finally can we get the defensive green dot moved to Charles Woodson instead of Barnett? Barnett seems to be listening to music this year, maybe he is confused by the headset ?

"luigis" wrote:


Thats funny.
Cheesey
15 years ago
I think we have been playing that way cause our D hasn't been good enough to get to their QB OR too stop the run. We have sucked in both areas.
To me, they need to blitz like mad. What have we got to lose? They arn't getting it done the other way.
UserPostedImage
Pack93z
15 years ago
It is a pretty simple assignment based defense.. Gap control up front, backers read play and attack or drop.. and man up corner play...

It is a solid defensive strategy if you have three basic things...

1) A line that can win one on one matchups

2) Have solid cover corners.. with assignment sure safeties over the top.

3) Players that stay within their assignments.. especially up front.

This is a defense that is vanilla, but has very few mental breakdowns because the assignments are pretty simple. But it is predictable in nature, and if you are losing one on one match ups.. it is more prone to failure.

We are losing at the LOS, which is going to breakdown almost any coverage scheme.. and to date, Sanders isn't willing to blitz, which is a sign of one of two things..

1) Lack of confidence if the flexibility in assignments in coverage..

2) Of lack of confidence in the ability to get there even with pressure..

Dating back to the Cowboys game last year.. or even further back, it is evident the Sanders lacks confidence in his players, period.
"The oranges are dry; the apples are mealy; and the papayas... I don't know what's going on with the papayas!"
Cheesey
15 years ago
I don't have much confidence in them right now either.
UserPostedImage
agopackgo4
15 years ago
I'm a big fan of the 3-4. And with our line backers, i dont know why not try it? Seems like wasting talent..Espicially like you pointed out luigis. We are thin on the D Line.
68md
15 years ago

It is a pretty simple assignment based defense.. Gap control up front, backers read play and attack or drop.. and man up corner play...

It is a solid defensive strategy if you have three basic things...

1) A line that can win one on one matchups

2) Have solid cover corners.. with assignment sure safeties over the top.

3) Players that stay within their assignments.. especially up front.

This is a defense that is vanilla, but has very few mental breakdowns because the assignments are pretty simple. But it is predictable in nature, and if you are losing one on one match ups.. it is more prone to failure.

We are losing at the LOS, which is going to breakdown almost any coverage scheme.. and to date, Sanders isn't willing to blitz, which is a sign of one of two things..

1) Lack of confidence if the flexibility in assignments in coverage..

2) Of lack of confidence in the ability to get there even with pressure..

Dating back to the Cowboys game last year.. or even further back, it is evident the Sanders lacks confidence in his players, period.

"pack93z" wrote:



Not sure you can say it better then that. I agree he has no confidence in his players...and will go a step further in that they have none in him it appears
Pack93z
15 years ago

I'm a big fan of the 3-4. And with our line backers, i dont know why not try it? Seems like wasting talent..Espicially like you pointed out luigis. We are thin on the D Line.

"agopackgo4" wrote:



It isn't just as simple as changing the alignment.. your dline play has to change and generally 4-3 DT's don't make good 3-4 NT.

Add to it the Backers need to change their assignment and reads..

Not saying it is impossible, but what is going to change if we aren't assignment sure within this scheme?

Also.. Barnett would make a awful 3-4 inside back.. Hodge and Bishop are more suited (I know Hodge isn't here anymore).. you have to be able to take on blockers.. something we struggle at with less contact with olineman.
"The oranges are dry; the apples are mealy; and the papayas... I don't know what's going on with the papayas!"
Bigbyfan
15 years ago

I'm a big fan of the 3-4. And with our line backers, i dont know why not try it? Seems like wasting talent..Espicially like you pointed out luigis. We are thin on the D Line.

"agopackgo4" wrote:




You can't just decide to switch our ENTIRE defensive scheme partway through the season. They have spent the whole offseason using the 4-3 scheme, going to the 3-4 would make our D even worse. Too much confusion would occur.

And yes, I am aware that they did practice a little 3-4 during training camp but NOWHERE near the amount needed to use it this season.

Everyone needs to relax. This is a long season. There are teams every year that stinmk it up at the beginning of the season but end up making the playoffs. Actually the Packers started 1-4 a couple times and still made the playoffs.
blank
warhawk
15 years ago
Going to a 3-4 in mid stream would be impossible at this time. You have three days to get ready for the next team let alone install a completely new system.

You do that before the season starts.

You do this with a big and bad middle guard that anchors the center and can fight double teams and hold his ground. It's great to have good LB's but without this guy the opposing team will eat you up and spit you out.

I disagree with the assessment Sanders lacks confidence and go the other way with the thought he has much confidence in the ability of the DL to do what they are supposed to do. Unfortunately, they haven't proven they can on a consistant basis.

When you see MORE blitzing is when you know he no longer feels the front four can create the pressure the base package calls for. Even then you still have to go base more than not or the offense will start picking it up. You may not remember the Slowik days but it looked more like a track meet than a football game and it was always the other guy that got to the finish line first.

This 3-4 thought might look good and smell good but I can tell you once you put it in your mouth you'll spit it out. It's too late to go there now.
"The train is leaving the station."
Fan Shout
packerfanoutwest (9h) : having a great long snapper is gold
Zero2Cool (15h) : LaFleur looking like he had some weight. Coachin will do that lol
Zero2Cool (17h) : Thanks Mucky and whomever created topcos for each pick!
Zero2Cool (17h) : Insane about Kingsley
dfosterf (19h) : Putring it here so Mucky sees it. He was our guy!
dfosterf (19h) : Bowden long snapper Wisconsin. Consensus best LS in college.
dfosterf (19h) : We got Peter Bowde
dfosterf (20h) : I personally interpret that as a partial tear that can be recovered from with rehab
dfosterf (20h) : MLF said Kingsley Enagbare did NOT tear his ACL and did NOT require surgery, and that he is "looking good" for the 2024 season!
beast (28-Apr) : T.O. son signs with the 49ers
Mucky Tundra (28-Apr) : damn those vikings
beast (27-Apr) : UDFA Vikings sign TE – Trey Knox, South Carolina
beast (27-Apr) : Kitchen was all high from Miami, he was more lucky than talented in 2022 and it showed in 2023
beast (27-Apr) : Reportedly Packers have UDFAs Jennings and Jones
beast (27-Apr) : OL – Donovan Jennings, USF OT – Trente Jones, Michigan
TheKanataThrilla (27-Apr) : Interesting draft. A bit shocked that we didn't select an early CB. Definitely have Safety help. Pretty happy overall.
dhazer (27-Apr) : wow the last 2 picks are really stupid and probably will be special teams players Top 10 draft pick next year book it
TheKanataThrilla (27-Apr) : I think he ended up with a terrible RAS score
dhazer (27-Apr) : Anyone know what went on with Kitchens from Florida? At 1 point he was to be the Packers 1st round and he is way down the board now
Martha Careful (27-Apr) : Z, could you please combine my thread with yours please. I obviously did not see it when I Created it
Martha Careful (26-Apr) : Re: 'Kool-Aid' McKinstry. Other than Icky Woods, has there ever been a good NFLer with a childish nickname?
Martha Careful (26-Apr) : Packers looking to trade up
Martha Careful (26-Apr) : Flag?
Martha Careful (26-Apr) : Sag?
Nonstopdrivel (26-Apr) : It rhymes with "bag."
beast (26-Apr) : Family? That's Deadpool's F word
Nonstopdrivel (26-Apr) : Not THAT f-word.
Zero2Cool (26-Apr) : fuck
beast (25-Apr) : 49ers are Cap Tight
beast (25-Apr) : Fuck
Mucky Tundra (25-Apr) : Kanata, I will be when I'm on my lunch later
TheKanataThrilla (25-Apr) : Love you NSD
Nonstopdrivel (25-Apr) : Huh. I guess the F-word is censored in this fan shout.
Nonstopdrivel (25-Apr) : Anyone who doesn't hang out in the chat probably smokes pole.
TheKanataThrilla (25-Apr) : GoPackGo Thinking CB is the pick tonight
TheKanataThrilla (25-Apr) : Anyone hanging out in the chat tonight?
Zero2Cool (25-Apr) : whoa...49ers have had trade conversations about both Deebo Samuel and Brandon Aiyuk
Zero2Cool (25-Apr) : I hope they take a Punter at 9th overall. Be bold!
Mucky Tundra (25-Apr) : I may end up eating those words but I think they need a lot more talent then their 4 picks can provide
Mucky Tundra (25-Apr) : I really hope they stand pat and Draft a WR
Mucky Tundra (25-Apr) : @DMRussini
Mucky Tundra (25-Apr) : The Chicago Bears are very open for business at 9 and telling teams they are ready to move for the right price, per source
buckeyepackfan (24-Apr) : Lions extend Penei Soul 4yrs - 112mil
buckeyepackfan (24-Apr) : Lions extend St. Brown 4 years 120mil and
Mucky Tundra (24-Apr) : Now look, trading up to 13 to take a TE might not seem like a good idea later but it will be later!
dfosterf (24-Apr) : (Your trade up mock post)
dfosterf (24-Apr) : Mucky- The only thing fun to watch would be me flipping the f out if Gute goes up to 13 and grabs Brock Bowers, lol
beast (24-Apr) : DT Byron Murphy II, Texas... whom some believe is the next Aaron Donald (or the closest thing to Donald)
Zero2Cool (24-Apr) : What? And who?
Mucky Tundra (24-Apr) : *sad Mucky noises*
Please sign in to use Fan Shout
2023 Packers Schedule
Sunday, Sep 10 @ 3:25 PM
Bears
Sunday, Sep 17 @ 12:00 PM
Falcons
Sunday, Sep 24 @ 12:00 PM
SAINTS
Thursday, Sep 28 @ 7:15 PM
LIONS
Monday, Oct 9 @ 7:15 PM
Raiders
Sunday, Oct 22 @ 3:25 PM
Broncos
Sunday, Oct 29 @ 12:00 PM
VIKINGS
Sunday, Nov 5 @ 12:00 PM
RAMS
Sunday, Nov 12 @ 12:00 PM
Steelers
Sunday, Nov 19 @ 12:00 PM
CHARGERS
Thursday, Nov 23 @ 11:30 AM
Lions
Sunday, Dec 3 @ 7:20 PM
CHIEFS
Monday, Dec 11 @ 7:15 PM
Giants
Sunday, Dec 17 @ 12:00 PM
BUCCANEERS
Sunday, Dec 24 @ 12:00 PM
Panthers
Sunday, Dec 31 @ 7:20 PM
Vikings
Sunday, Jan 7 @ 3:25 PM
BEARS
Sunday, Jan 14 @ 3:30 PM
Cowboys
Saturday, Jan 20 @ 7:15 PM
49ers
Recent Topics
46m / Green Bay Packers Talk / Mucky Tundra

1h / Green Bay Packers Talk / Mucky Tundra

4h / Green Bay Packers Talk / earthquake

7h / Green Bay Packers Talk / Mucky Tundra

14h / Feedback, Suggestions and Issues / Zero2Cool

15h / Green Bay Packers Talk / Mucky Tundra

15h / Green Bay Packers Talk / Martha Careful

15h / Green Bay Packers Talk / Martha Careful

15h / Green Bay Packers Talk / Martha Careful

15h / Green Bay Packers Talk / Martha Careful

15h / Green Bay Packers Talk / Martha Careful

15h / Green Bay Packers Talk / Zero2Cool

16h / Green Bay Packers Talk / greengold

21h / Green Bay Packers Talk / bboystyle

27-Apr / Green Bay Packers Talk / beast

Headlines
Copyright © 2006 - 2024 PackersHome.com™. All Rights Reserved.