This draft is deep...deep at positions we really aren't in need of (depending on what you think we need).
I'm all for trading up if the right players are there, but not for a scenario in taking both Shazier and Mosley. It would be nice if the Packers can take a safety (let's say HaHa or Pryor fall) at 21 and if Shazier and/or Mosley are still on the board late in the 1st (even better would be if they were still available early in the 2nd but that doesn't fit the thread topic).
Quality over quantity in this draft, imo. The deepness of this draft class doesn't fit the needs at the Packers positions to need more picks in the later rounds.
What is being considered deep talent positions this draft? Wide receiver and cornerbacks? I'd say the drop off in talent is pretty significant for the other positions other than those two.
Originally Posted by: Yerko
Depends on what you mean by "deep".
To me, I divide in terms of:
1. True first round value. To my mind, it'll take "falling unexpectedly" to get one of these at #21.
2. Top 100-120 picks.
3. Rest of draft.
When I say "deep", I'm looking at level #2, and I mean "more than usually seen in this tier at a given position". And I consider the draft deep at:
1. WR
2. CB
3. DT/3-4 DE.
4. OLB.
5. OT
6. OG/C
WR -- a need, for another #3/#4 at least. Love to have another level 2 here, even on the days I'm really optimistic about Boykins.
CB -- always value here for more good CBs.
DL -- IMO major need. We have Daniels, unproven potential, and guys. I lack confidence in Raji, I don't care what Mike McCarthy says in the offseason. Even assume Datone Jones takes off, we still need more.
OLB -- need unless you think Peppers plays four years. And there are some really good ones that are going to be available in that second tier.
OT/OG/C -- I know most are satisfied here. I'm not. Not even close. And even if you are looking depth only here, this is a great draft for OL depth in my opinion.
If I were as sold as everyone seems to be with Mosley and Shazier, I'd probably feel different. But I think one is too big of an injury concern and I still think Shazier is overrated. I like both Pryor and Bucannon, but one will be well gone by #21 and isn't good enough to trade up for, and the other is top 100, not first round.
3-4 DE.
What are the Packers greatest needs?
1. Safety. Clinton-Dix and Pryor are the only real #1 talents. BOth will be gone. Top 100 is pretty thin, too, but the right trade down should get either Ward or Bucannon or Reynolds and won't be needed to get Dontae Johnson or one of the corner-convert-to-safeties like Breeland.
2. ILB. Mosley will probably be available. Shazier almost certainly will. Most Packers fans would be okay here. This is where I think the debate about trading down lies. Most Packer fans would be okay with either. I'm in the (fairly small) minority that says getting a couple more top 100 picks is worth the risk of missing not just one, but both.
3. Pass rush. What quality is going to be available at 21 that isn't going to be available early second, mid-second, or even third? You've got Attaochu, Bradford, Tuitt, Ealy, Crichton, Martin, DuQuan Jones, Lawrence, Sutton, Jeffcoat, Ford, Marcus Smith, Van Noy. Which of these, or others possibly available at #21 are that much better?
4. WR. Really deep. Really really deep. But which of those available at 21 won't be available five or ten or a round later? And of those who are, which are enough better to call them "first round" rather than top 100? Everyone can name one (my favorite is Marqise Lee), but can people name three true first round quality WR that will almost certainly not be available if not picked at 21?
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