What should the 2015 Packers look like ?· Page 3

steveishere
Veteran Member

9 years ago

Coach Lombardi never accepted excuses. Winning was the only thing .

Originally Posted by: Smokey

Good for him, that doesn't mean he'd win every Superbowl now it's just a nice sounding thing to say and irrelevant to this discussion.

Zero2Cool
Elite Member

9 years ago

#22

Coach Lombardi never accepted excuses. Winning was the only thing .

Originally Posted by: Smokey

Vince Lombardi regretted "Winning isn't everything, it’s the only thing.” because of the impression it gave him. Lombardi believed God, family and the Green Bay Packers were what mattered most and in that order.

“(Lombardi) told me once, ‘I wish to hell I’d never said the damned thing. I meant the effort . . . I meant having a goal . . . I sure as hell didn’t mean for people to crush human values and morality’.
I said, ‘Don’t you believe it?’
He said, ‘What I believe is, if you go out on a football field Sunday, or any other endeavor in life, and you leave every fiber of what you have on that field, when the game finally ends, then you've won, and to me that tells a lot more than the final score. And I never made that clear.’

Jerry Izenberg wrote:

http://sports.espn.go.com/classic/biography/s/Lombardi_Vince.html
http://library.la84.org/SportsLibrary/FootballStudies/1999/FS0202h.pdf

Smokey
Veteran Member Topic Starter

9 years ago

#23

Good for him, that doesn't mean he'd win every Superbowl now it's just a nice sounding thing to say and irrelevant to this discussion.

Originally Posted by: steveishere

Coach Lombardi will never be irrelevant, especially in Green Bay !
Winning is always relevant, unless your just here to spread hate and discontent.

I've already laid out my answer to the question posed in this thread, but I've yet to read your relevant post. :crazy:

texaspackerbacker
Veteran Member

9 years ago

#24

Originally Posted by: Smokey

ooooooh this is starting to smack of politics - or at least social commentary or some crap like that hahahahaha.

That Izenberg thing sounds like revisionist history to me.

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Smokey
Veteran Member Topic Starter

9 years ago

#25

ooooooh this is starting to smack of politics - or at least social commentary or some crap like that hahahahaha.

That Izenberg thing sounds like revisionist history to me.

Originally Posted by: texaspackerbacker

Saint Vencent Rules !!

Go Pack Go !! :angel11:

steveishere
Veteran Member

9 years ago

#26

Originally Posted by: Smokey

I never said he or winning was irrelevant just that your quote was irrelevant to the discussion we were having. I don't know what your problem is I was enjoying the discussion until you just went off the rails for some reason. Whatever though do what you gotta do.

Zero2Cool
Elite Member

9 years ago

#27

Well our defense overall played better against Seattle than New Englands did last year. We had a championship team last year that as a team didn't play up to it's capabilities when it needed to. It's not as simple as having the best team or not there are too many factors than influence whether you win or lose. You can have a team with pro bowlers at every position and still have a high probability to not win the Superbowl. I know it's frustrating to see teams with good potential not win every year but that's the NFL.

Originally Posted by: steveishere

The 2015 Packers team will finish what the 2014 Packers team started and that's how they should look and will look. The Packers have not lost any critical piece of the puzzle and removed several of the "scapegoats" of the mistakes. The time is now.

Smokey
Veteran Member Topic Starter

9 years ago

#28

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool

I tend to agree with you for the most part, however you must see the need at the CB and ILB positions. They are vital pieces of the defensive picture for 2015. Yes those positions will have players, but how good will they be. It is not unheard of to draft personal that played well in College, only to discover that they are not NFL players at all. Even players that do make the grade sometimes take a season or two to be their best. It is for that reason that I hope Ted Thompson goes heavy and early to get CB's and ILB's.
Some want a QB, yet I've seen none worth picking in this draft.
Some want a RB, yet there will be none of quality to pick when it's GB's turn.
Others want players at other positions that don't need players.
IMO, the Packers need to pick the Best Players Available to fill the needs at CB and ILB.

Zero2Cool
Elite Member

9 years ago

#29

The Packers have good depth in the Secondary and I believe it is more important to have a dominant front than a dominant back end. If the front line does well, it'll make the secondary better. But a good secondary won't make the front line better.

DL > LB > DB

Waterfall effect.

I'm hoping for the draft the Packers take the best football players and if it shakes out that they are in positions of fan perceived needs, great. Once you start chasing needs via draft, you might as well start chasing your tail. Both chases will be about equally effective.

gbguy20
Veteran Member

9 years ago

#30

After the draft, we will have everything we need personnel wise. What we still need and have always needed is a new attitude that comes all the way from the top. We need a killer instinct, we need to be aggressive - for the full 60 minutes, no matter the score, no matter what week it is. The offense should never let up, the defense should never let up. Foot on the throat, everytime, no mercy. This is how I want the 2015 team to look. It needs to be their identity, their legacy....No more of this prevent defense bullshit...

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