Dulak
  • Dulak
  • Veteran Member Topic Starter
14 years ago
So what does this have to do with the packers? ...

What I saw is how both teams often got blitzed either from the end or from unknown positions and how the teams had plays in place to help make plays even thou there was a man(men) coming.

Now these are both older guys at the QB position; so its not like the can move that good compared to their younger counter-parts.

What I saw was short pass or dumps/screens. Often times it looked like these plays were the primary play or often it was the option of a secondary play. Meaning if the blitz comes then your option is to get it to this guy ...

Ya farve took some sacks but he could of taken alot more if he held onto the ball alot longer and if they didnt have the options of doing the short screens or passes.

I didnt rewatch the greenbay game yet; but there is no reason why we cant have plays that work of a screen or a short pass to a TE/RB.

So if anything I blame our coaches for these lousey OL coverages. Obviously putting more guys to block isnt going to do the trick.(since as someone posted already we tried that this week)

IMO having options for rodgers to get rid of the ball quickly. We dont always have to make the 40+ yard play. Ill take a 8-12 yard throw or a short screen over a sack anyday.

your thoughts?
Packers_Finland
14 years ago
He tried that with Grant, you remember what happened right?

In all seriousness though, yes I would like to see more short throws and screens. It would make us depend less on big plays. I haven't seen a slant in ages.
This is a placeholder
Cheesey
14 years ago
Teans can cover the slant well because they KNOW that our o-line can't stop anyone. So cover that well, and wait for the D to pressure AR.
Until we fix that, we won't have the quick slant to throw to.
UserPostedImage
zombieslayer
14 years ago

So what does this have to do with the packers? ...

What I saw is how both teams often got blitzed either from the end or from unknown positions and how the teams had plays in place to help make plays even thou there was a man(men) coming.

Now these are both older guys at the QB position; so its not like the can move that good compared to their younger counter-parts.

What I saw was short pass or dumps/screens. Often times it looked like these plays were the primary play or often it was the option of a secondary play. Meaning if the blitz comes then your option is to get it to this guy ...

Ya farve took some sacks but he could of taken alot more if he held onto the ball alot longer and if they didnt have the options of doing the short screens or passes.

I didnt rewatch the greenbay game yet; but there is no reason why we cant have plays that work of a screen or a short pass to a TE/RB.

So if anything I blame our coaches for these lousey OL coverages. Obviously putting more guys to block isnt going to do the trick.(since as someone posted already we tried that this week)

IMO having options for rodgers to get rid of the ball quickly. We dont always have to make the 40+ yard play. Ill take a 8-12 yard throw or a short screen over a sack anyday.

your thoughts?

"Dulak" wrote:



+1.

I watched Favre compensate for his lack of mobility with quick dump offs and screens and I was thinking the same thing - why the **** aren't we doing this? With us, the problem is a bad OL. With the Vikes, Favre can't move. The results are the same - QB gets pressured. Yet, the Vikings continue the drive and often score. We punt.
My man Donald Driver
UserPostedImage
(thanks to Pack93z for the pic)
2010 will be seen as the beginning of the new Packers dynasty. 🇹🇹 🇲🇲 🇦🇷
evad04
14 years ago

So what does this have to do with the packers? ...

What I saw is how both teams often got blitzed either from the end or from unknown positions and how the teams had plays in place to help make plays even thou there was a man(men) coming.

Now these are both older guys at the QB position; so its not like the can move that good compared to their younger counter-parts.

What I saw was short pass or dumps/screens. Often times it looked like these plays were the primary play or often it was the option of a secondary play. Meaning if the blitz comes then your option is to get it to this guy ...

Ya farve took some sacks but he could of taken alot more if he held onto the ball alot longer and if they didnt have the options of doing the short screens or passes.

I didnt rewatch the greenbay game yet; but there is no reason why we cant have plays that work of a screen or a short pass to a TE/RB.

So if anything I blame our coaches for these lousey OL coverages. Obviously putting more guys to block isnt going to do the trick.(since as someone posted already we tried that this week)

IMO having options for rodgers to get rid of the ball quickly. We dont always have to make the 40+ yard play. Ill take a 8-12 yard throw or a short screen over a sack anyday.

your thoughts?

"zombieslayer" wrote:



+1.

I watched Favre compensate for his lack of mobility with quick dump offs and screens and I was thinking the same thing - why the **** aren't we doing this? With us, the problem is a bad OL. With the Vikes, Favre can't move. The results are the same - QB gets pressured. Yet, the Vikings continue the drive and often score. We punt.

"Dulak" wrote:



Significantly better o-line in Minnie. Oh yeah, and there's that one guy -- you know, the best RB in football. ::roll:
William Henderson didn't have to run people over. His preferred method was levitation.
"I'm a reasonable man, get off my case."
zombieslayer
14 years ago
Evad - Still, to compensate for a bad OL, you have to improve your release. Take 3 steps back, and release. I'm seeing too much drop in the pocket and wait for an open receiver. That's a luxury we don't have right now.

You can also win games with no running game. We proved that in '07.
My man Donald Driver
UserPostedImage
(thanks to Pack93z for the pic)
2010 will be seen as the beginning of the new Packers dynasty. 🇹🇹 🇲🇲 🇦🇷
Dulak
  • Dulak
  • Veteran Member Topic Starter
14 years ago
ya the things me and zombie saw in farves game (this includes Arz game) was the non hand-offs to the RB; blitz would still come but the ball would leave the QBs hands to a person that would get positive yards. (and not a sack - ya sure he got sacked a few times but less then rodgers and considering farve has alot less mobility then rodgers - something is up).
Zero2Cool
14 years ago

Evad - Still, to compensate for a bad OL, you have to improve your release. Take 3 steps back, and release. I'm seeing too much drop in the pocket and wait for an open receiver. That's a luxury we don't have right now.

You can also win games with no running game. We proved that in '07.

"zombieslayer" wrote:



I am with you on quicker release, hence my mini rant about a safety valve for the QB instead of using 7 or 8 guys to block. This if the NFL, man up or get the heck off the field! lol

The Packers had a very good running game at the end of the season. The last night games they averaged well over 100 a game. That's pretty good. We also used the Fab 5 a lot to knock defenses off balance. I can't say I've seen that too often this year.

The play calling in '09 and '07, way different from my recall.
UserPostedImage
Rios39
14 years ago
The Vikings don't pass block well at all either. But they aren't running the deep routes. I personally think we need to try to get a running game going and shorten up our routes. I think most of the big plays should come on play actions and just drop backs.

Trying to hold the ball long in shot gun is going to get Rodgers killed.
blank
Rockmolder
14 years ago

The Vikings don't pass block well at all either. But they aren't running the deep routes. I personally think we need to try to get a running game going and shorten up our routes. I think most of the big plays should come on play actions and just drop backs.

Trying to hold the ball long in shot gun is going to get Rodgers killed.

"Rios39" wrote:



They have a great run blocking line, though, and the left side of their line might be the best in the league. Both in pass and run blocking.

Then, next to that, they have AP.

We lack a good running line and an elite RB. Grant's good, but more like Bennett good. He can complement a great passing game and defense, but he won't be carrying anything.
Fan Shout
beast (7h) : T.O. son signs with the 49ers
Mucky Tundra (8h) : damn those vikings
beast (8h) : UDFA Vikings sign TE – Trey Knox, South Carolina
beast (8h) : Kitchen was all high from Miami, he was more lucky than talented in 2022 and it showed in 2023
beast (8h) : Reportedly Packers have UDFAs Jennings and Jones
beast (8h) : OL – Donovan Jennings, USF OT – Trente Jones, Michigan
TheKanataThrilla (8h) : Interesting draft. A bit shocked that we didn't select an early CB. Definitely have Safety help. Pretty happy overall.
dhazer (15h) : wow the last 2 picks are really stupid and probably will be special teams players Top 10 draft pick next year book it
TheKanataThrilla (16h) : I think he ended up with a terrible RAS score
dhazer (16h) : Anyone know what went on with Kitchens from Florida? At 1 point he was to be the Packers 1st round and he is way down the board now
Martha Careful (27-Apr) : Z, could you please combine my thread with yours please. I obviously did not see it when I Created it
Martha Careful (26-Apr) : Re: 'Kool-Aid' McKinstry. Other than Icky Woods, has there ever been a good NFLer with a childish nickname?
Martha Careful (26-Apr) : Packers looking to trade up
Martha Careful (26-Apr) : Flag?
Martha Careful (26-Apr) : Sag?
Nonstopdrivel (26-Apr) : It rhymes with "bag."
beast (26-Apr) : Family? That's Deadpool's F word
Nonstopdrivel (26-Apr) : Not THAT f-word.
Zero2Cool (26-Apr) : fuck
beast (25-Apr) : 49ers are Cap Tight
beast (25-Apr) : Fuck
Mucky Tundra (25-Apr) : Kanata, I will be when I'm on my lunch later
TheKanataThrilla (25-Apr) : Love you NSD
Nonstopdrivel (25-Apr) : Huh. I guess the F-word is censored in this fan shout.
Nonstopdrivel (25-Apr) : Anyone who doesn't hang out in the chat probably smokes pole.
TheKanataThrilla (25-Apr) : GoPackGo Thinking CB is the pick tonight
TheKanataThrilla (25-Apr) : Anyone hanging out in the chat tonight?
Zero2Cool (25-Apr) : whoa...49ers have had trade conversations about both Deebo Samuel and Brandon Aiyuk
Zero2Cool (25-Apr) : I hope they take a Punter at 9th overall. Be bold!
Mucky Tundra (25-Apr) : I may end up eating those words but I think they need a lot more talent then their 4 picks can provide
Mucky Tundra (25-Apr) : I really hope they stand pat and Draft a WR
Mucky Tundra (25-Apr) : @DMRussini
Mucky Tundra (25-Apr) : The Chicago Bears are very open for business at 9 and telling teams they are ready to move for the right price, per source
buckeyepackfan (24-Apr) : Lions extend Penei Soul 4yrs - 112mil
buckeyepackfan (24-Apr) : Lions extend St. Brown 4 years 120mil and
Mucky Tundra (24-Apr) : Now look, trading up to 13 to take a TE might not seem like a good idea later but it will be later!
dfosterf (24-Apr) : (Your trade up mock post)
dfosterf (24-Apr) : Mucky- The only thing fun to watch would be me flipping the f out if Gute goes up to 13 and grabs Brock Bowers, lol
beast (24-Apr) : DT Byron Murphy II, Texas... whom some believe is the next Aaron Donald (or the closest thing to Donald)
Zero2Cool (24-Apr) : What? And who?
Mucky Tundra (24-Apr) : *sad Mucky noises*
Mucky Tundra (24-Apr) : @JoeJHoyt Murphy said he’s been told he won’t slide past pick No. 16.
wpr (23-Apr) : Just about time to watch Sonny Weaver stick it to the seahags. I never get tired of it.
Martha Careful (23-Apr) : *game plan
Martha Careful (23-Apr) : IMHO, not even close. He is not a guy you game play around.
Mucky Tundra (23-Apr) : is Aiyuk worth a 1st rounder?
Zero2Cool (23-Apr) : 49ers are seeking a 1st round pick in exchange for WR Brandon Aiyuk
Mucky Tundra (22-Apr) : Based on Gutes comments, now I don't feel as silly having 13 picks in my mock the other day
Zero2Cool (22-Apr) : Zach Wilson to Broncos.
Zero2Cool (22-Apr) : Gutekunst says he'd love to have 13 or 14 picks. He's trading back huh lol
Please sign in to use Fan Shout
2023 Packers Schedule
Sunday, Sep 10 @ 3:25 PM
Bears
Sunday, Sep 17 @ 12:00 PM
Falcons
Sunday, Sep 24 @ 12:00 PM
SAINTS
Thursday, Sep 28 @ 7:15 PM
LIONS
Monday, Oct 9 @ 7:15 PM
Raiders
Sunday, Oct 22 @ 3:25 PM
Broncos
Sunday, Oct 29 @ 12:00 PM
VIKINGS
Sunday, Nov 5 @ 12:00 PM
RAMS
Sunday, Nov 12 @ 12:00 PM
Steelers
Sunday, Nov 19 @ 12:00 PM
CHARGERS
Thursday, Nov 23 @ 11:30 AM
Lions
Sunday, Dec 3 @ 7:20 PM
CHIEFS
Monday, Dec 11 @ 7:15 PM
Giants
Sunday, Dec 17 @ 12:00 PM
BUCCANEERS
Sunday, Dec 24 @ 12:00 PM
Panthers
Sunday, Dec 31 @ 7:20 PM
Vikings
Sunday, Jan 7 @ 3:25 PM
BEARS
Sunday, Jan 14 @ 3:30 PM
Cowboys
Saturday, Jan 20 @ 7:15 PM
49ers
Recent Topics
2h / Green Bay Packers Talk / beast

2h / Green Bay Packers Talk / beast

3h / Green Bay Packers Talk / Mucky Tundra

3h / Green Bay Packers Talk / beast

3h / Green Bay Packers Talk / beast

3h / Green Bay Packers Talk / Mucky Tundra

3h / Green Bay Packers Talk / beast

4h / Green Bay Packers Talk / beast

4h / Green Bay Packers Talk / beast

5h / Green Bay Packers Talk / beast

5h / Green Bay Packers Talk / beast

5h / Green Bay Packers Talk / earthquake

14h / Green Bay Packers Talk / beast

27-Apr / Green Bay Packers Talk / Mucky Tundra

27-Apr / Green Bay Packers Talk / Martha Careful

Headlines
Copyright © 2006 - 2024 PackersHome.com™. All Rights Reserved.