14 years ago

The holes were definitely larger, but it seems like he broke a lot of 2nd level tackles in the secondary to break free for long runs in '07. Maybe I'm thinking too simply, but he doesn't look like the same player to me.

"evad04" wrote:


It seems like he's not making it too that second level -- which has to put a significant part of the blame on the o-line.

"wils0646" wrote:

Sounds about right.
UserPostedImage
wils0646
14 years ago
Wow, I just went back to watch some of his runs in '07. Gaping lanes. Barely got touched on a lot of his long runs. Ok, I blame the o-line more than anything now. Clifton had a few great run blocks on some of his long runs. Too bad Cliffy isn't playing like that anymore.
The Pack Will Be Back.
ILikeThePackers39
14 years ago

The holes were definitely larger, but it seems like he broke a lot of 2nd level tackles in the secondary to break free for long runs in '07. Maybe I'm thinking too simply, but he doesn't look like the same player to me.

"wils0646" wrote:



I think it was simple, stupid luck. He honestly doesn't look all that different to me this year. He's a one-cut-and-go back, which works with a (functioning) ZBS-style attack. He's not overly strong and either runs too upright or gets so low he can't stay on his feet. He's not shifty and never was - same goes for speed. If he gets to the second level with a good head of steam, he can do some damage - but the stars have to align for that to happen. One thing he can absolutely not do is improvise - if the play breaks down, dude is toast.

Granted, I wasn't ever that high on the guy - RB's are my 'specialty' (if I can say I have one), and pound-for-pound I'd rather see Jackson on the field if he could ever be healthy. He's got a more complete toolkit, I think.

Bottom line from my viewpoint is that Grant isn't an elite back, and you need one if you want to get production from your run game with a sub-par line. He's not a bad player or a bad guy, just a bad fit.
blank
evad04
14 years ago

Wow, I just went back to watch some of his runs in '07. Gaping lanes. Barely got touched on a lot of his long runs. Ok, I blame the o-line more than anything now. Clifton had a few great run blocks on some of his long runs. Too bad Cliffy isn't playing like that anymore.

"wils0646" wrote:


Gotta link? 🙂 I wanna see the good Grant in action in an attempt to make sense of it all. Here's what I remember: Grant getting four or five yards deep into the defense, making a defender miss, then making one or two big cutbacks and finding space.

We saw that against Cleveland last week (I know, I know -- Cleveland stinks). Not surprisingly, that's one of the better run-blocking games we've had in ages.
William Henderson didn't have to run people over. His preferred method was levitation.
"I'm a reasonable man, get off my case."
Zero2Cool
14 years ago
A link? Serious? Dude, we have the highlights, oh man why do I even try anymore!

:bangs head:


:)
UserPostedImage
evad04
14 years ago

A link? Serious? Dude, we have the highlights, oh man why do I even try anymore!

:bangs head:


:)

"Zero2Cool" wrote:


I'm forum illiterate :crybaby: I don't know these things. I don't even know how to delete a post. Hah -- it's not that you're not trying.

Okay. I'll press some buttons on this site and see if I can find it.
William Henderson didn't have to run people over. His preferred method was levitation.
"I'm a reasonable man, get off my case."
wils0646
14 years ago

Wow, I just went back to watch some of his runs in '07. Gaping lanes. Barely got touched on a lot of his long runs. Ok, I blame the o-line more than anything now. Clifton had a few great run blocks on some of his long runs. Too bad Cliffy isn't playing like that anymore.

"evad04" wrote:


Gotta link? 🙂 I wanna see the good Grant in action in an attempt to make sense of it all. Here's what I remember: Grant getting four or five yards deep into the defense, making a defender miss, then making one or two big cutbacks and finding space.

We saw that against Cleveland last week (I know, I know -- Cleveland stinks). Not surprisingly, that's one of the better run-blocking games we've had in ages.

"wils0646" wrote:



You can go back and watch all of the highlights of the '07 season. Be careful, you will feel nostalgic. :icon_smile:

http://www.nfl.com/videos/green-bay-packers#season:2007 

Particularly these runs:

http://www.nfl.com/videos/green-bay-packers/09000d5d8041d941/Ryan-Grant-Highlight-WK-0-vs-Vikings-2007 

http://www.nfl.com/videos/green-bay-packers/09000d5d804c51bd/Ryan-Grant-Highlight-WK-13-vs-Cowboys-2007 

http://www.nfl.com/videos/green-bay-packers/09000d5d80473f70/Ryan-Grant-Highlight-WK-12-vs-Lions-2007 

http://www.nfl.com/videos/green-bay-packers/09000d5d8055dafd/WK-16-Can-t-Miss-Play-Grant-TD 
The Pack Will Be Back.
14 years ago

Wow, I just went back to watch some of his runs in '07. Gaping lanes. Barely got touched on a lot of his long runs. Ok, I blame the o-line more than anything now. Clifton had a few great run blocks on some of his long runs. Too bad Cliffy isn't playing like that anymore.

"wils0646" wrote:

Finally somebody is listening 🙂. I have been saying this for weeks lol.
UserPostedImage
ILikeThePackers39
14 years ago

Wow, I just went back to watch some of his runs in '07. Gaping lanes. Barely got touched on a lot of his long runs. Ok, I blame the o-line more than anything now. Clifton had a few great run blocks on some of his long runs. Too bad Cliffy isn't playing like that anymore.

"evad04" wrote:


Gotta link? 🙂 I wanna see the good Grant in action in an attempt to make sense of it all. Here's what I remember: Grant getting four or five yards deep into the defense, making a defender miss, then making one or two big cutbacks and finding space.

We saw that against Cleveland last week (I know, I know -- Cleveland stinks). Not surprisingly, that's one of the better run-blocking games we've had in ages.

"wils0646" wrote:



I hate to say it, but the Cleveland game sounds like (I wasn't able to watch it) a case of our not-very-good o-line sacking up big time and beating a depleted and sick Browns d-line. In other words, an anomaly and mostly proof that Grant can, like any NFL-level back, produce when he's got big holes to run through.

So you either get a line that can create those holes*, or you get the kind of RB who can make his own room - the former is a lot easier (or should be) than the latter.



* and no, '07 wasn't the same line as last year or now - 2 years is a long time for an already-old OT, and Cliffy and Tausch were both a good deal better back then.
blank
evad04
14 years ago

Wow, I just went back to watch some of his runs in '07. Gaping lanes. Barely got touched on a lot of his long runs. Ok, I blame the o-line more than anything now. Clifton had a few great run blocks on some of his long runs. Too bad Cliffy isn't playing like that anymore.

"wils0646" wrote:


Gotta link? 🙂 I wanna see the good Grant in action in an attempt to make sense of it all. Here's what I remember: Grant getting four or five yards deep into the defense, making a defender miss, then making one or two big cutbacks and finding space.

We saw that against Cleveland last week (I know, I know -- Cleveland stinks). Not surprisingly, that's one of the better run-blocking games we've had in ages.

"evad04" wrote:



You can go back and watch all of the highlights of the '07 season. Be careful, you will feel nostalgic. :icon_smile:

http://www.nfl.com/videos/green-bay-packers#season:2007 

Particularly these runs:

http://www.nfl.com/videos/green-bay-packers/09000d5d8041d941/Ryan-Grant-Highlight-WK-0-vs-Vikings-2007 

http://www.nfl.com/videos/green-bay-packers/09000d5d804c51bd/Ryan-Grant-Highlight-WK-13-vs-Cowboys-2007 

http://www.nfl.com/videos/green-bay-packers/09000d5d80473f70/Ryan-Grant-Highlight-WK-12-vs-Lions-2007 

http://www.nfl.com/videos/green-bay-packers/09000d5d8055dafd/WK-16-Can-t-Miss-Play-Grant-TD 

"wils0646" wrote:


The first one against the Vikes was nice -- compression set with three receivers (I think two of them were TEs) and the FB in the backfield. This looks a little more "West Coast"-esque than the predominantly shotgun offense we seem to run. I'd like to see more pass formations run from under center because it gives more of a threat to run. Nice play.

The Bears and Lions highlights were pure zone blocking plays. Now -- listen here: I think the ZBS has been overall a failure because too many times we have 1-2 yard runs. That said, if we can continue to use it as a "wrinkle" in our run game then plays like ^^ will hopefully happen again. The Bears play in particular -- you see the zone shift by the o-line, the TEs and FBs get a hat on a player, Grant makes a quick cut and then hits on the jets.
William Henderson didn't have to run people over. His preferred method was levitation.
"I'm a reasonable man, get off my case."
Fan Shout
Zero2Cool (6h) : Jordan Love CAN sign an extension as of today. Might tak weeks/months though
TheKanataThrilla (6h) : Packers decline 5th year option for Stokes
Mucky Tundra (10h) : @ProFootballTalk Jaylen Warren: Steelers' special teams coach has discussed Justin Fields returning kicks.
Zero2Cool (19h) : Season officially ending tonight for Bucks ... sad face
Zero2Cool (19h) : Giannis Antetokounmpo is listed as out for tonight's game.
dfosterf (2-May) : Surprisingly low initially is my guess cap wise, but gonna pay the piper after that
dfosterf (2-May) : The number on Love is going to be brutal.
Zero2Cool (2-May) : May 3rd. Extension day for Jordan Love. (soonest)
Zero2Cool (1-May) : USFL MVP QB Alex McGough moved to WR. So that's why no WR drafted!
earthquake (1-May) : Packers draft starters at safety ever few years. Collins, Clinton-Dix, Savage
beast (1-May) : Why can't the rookies be a day 1 starter? Especially when we grabbed 3 of them at the position
dfosterf (1-May) : Not going to be shocked if Gilmore goes to the Lions.
dfosterf (1-May) : I hear you dhazer, but my guess would be Gilmore Colts and Howard Vikings from what little has been reported.
Mucky Tundra (30-Apr) : S learn from McKinney who learns from Hafley who learns from the fans. Guaranteed Super Bowl
Zero2Cool (30-Apr) : could*
Zero2Cool (29-Apr) : Safeties should learn from Xavier.
dhazer (29-Apr) : And what about grabbing a Gilmore or Howard at CB ? Those are all Free Agents left
dhazer (29-Apr) : out of curiosity do they try and sign Simmons or Hyde to let these young safeties learn from, they can't be day 1 starters.
Zero2Cool (29-Apr) : I miss having Sam Shields.
Zero2Cool (29-Apr) : Not that he's making excuses, just pointing it out
Zero2Cool (29-Apr) : That's for dang sure. Make our erratic kicker have no excuse!
packerfanoutwest (28-Apr) : having a great long snapper is gold
Zero2Cool (28-Apr) : LaFleur looking like he had some weight. Coachin will do that lol
Zero2Cool (28-Apr) : Thanks Mucky and whomever created topcos for each pick!
Zero2Cool (28-Apr) : Insane about Kingsley
dfosterf (28-Apr) : Putring it here so Mucky sees it. He was our guy!
dfosterf (28-Apr) : Bowden long snapper Wisconsin. Consensus best LS in college.
dfosterf (28-Apr) : We got Peter Bowde
dfosterf (28-Apr) : I personally interpret that as a partial tear that can be recovered from with rehab
dfosterf (28-Apr) : MLF said Kingsley Enagbare did NOT tear his ACL and did NOT require surgery, and that he is "looking good" for the 2024 season!
beast (28-Apr) : T.O. son signs with the 49ers
Mucky Tundra (28-Apr) : damn those vikings
beast (27-Apr) : UDFA Vikings sign TE – Trey Knox, South Carolina
beast (27-Apr) : Kitchen was all high from Miami, he was more lucky than talented in 2022 and it showed in 2023
beast (27-Apr) : Reportedly Packers have UDFAs Jennings and Jones
beast (27-Apr) : OL – Donovan Jennings, USF OT – Trente Jones, Michigan
TheKanataThrilla (27-Apr) : Interesting draft. A bit shocked that we didn't select an early CB. Definitely have Safety help. Pretty happy overall.
dhazer (27-Apr) : wow the last 2 picks are really stupid and probably will be special teams players Top 10 draft pick next year book it
TheKanataThrilla (27-Apr) : I think he ended up with a terrible RAS score
dhazer (27-Apr) : Anyone know what went on with Kitchens from Florida? At 1 point he was to be the Packers 1st round and he is way down the board now
Martha Careful (27-Apr) : Z, could you please combine my thread with yours please. I obviously did not see it when I Created it
Martha Careful (26-Apr) : Re: 'Kool-Aid' McKinstry. Other than Icky Woods, has there ever been a good NFLer with a childish nickname?
Martha Careful (26-Apr) : Packers looking to trade up
Martha Careful (26-Apr) : Flag?
Martha Careful (26-Apr) : Sag?
Nonstopdrivel (26-Apr) : It rhymes with "bag."
beast (26-Apr) : Family? That's Deadpool's F word
Nonstopdrivel (26-Apr) : Not THAT f-word.
Zero2Cool (26-Apr) : fuck
beast (25-Apr) : 49ers are Cap Tight
Please sign in to use Fan Shout
2023 Packers Schedule
Sunday, Sep 10 @ 3:25 PM
Bears
Sunday, Sep 17 @ 12:00 PM
Falcons
Sunday, Sep 24 @ 12:00 PM
SAINTS
Thursday, Sep 28 @ 7:15 PM
LIONS
Monday, Oct 9 @ 7:15 PM
Raiders
Sunday, Oct 22 @ 3:25 PM
Broncos
Sunday, Oct 29 @ 12:00 PM
VIKINGS
Sunday, Nov 5 @ 12:00 PM
RAMS
Sunday, Nov 12 @ 12:00 PM
Steelers
Sunday, Nov 19 @ 12:00 PM
CHARGERS
Thursday, Nov 23 @ 11:30 AM
Lions
Sunday, Dec 3 @ 7:20 PM
CHIEFS
Monday, Dec 11 @ 7:15 PM
Giants
Sunday, Dec 17 @ 12:00 PM
BUCCANEERS
Sunday, Dec 24 @ 12:00 PM
Panthers
Sunday, Dec 31 @ 7:20 PM
Vikings
Sunday, Jan 7 @ 3:25 PM
BEARS
Sunday, Jan 14 @ 3:30 PM
Cowboys
Saturday, Jan 20 @ 7:15 PM
49ers
Recent Topics
6h / Green Bay Packers Talk / Zero2Cool

7h / Green Bay Packers Talk / go.pack.go.

19h / Green Bay Packers Talk / beast

22h / Green Bay Packers Talk / beast

2-May / Green Bay Packers Talk / bboystyle

1-May / Green Bay Packers Talk / greengold

1-May / Packers Draft Threads / dfosterf

30-Apr / Green Bay Packers Talk / Zero2Cool

29-Apr / Green Bay Packers Talk / Martha Careful

29-Apr / Packers Draft Threads / Zero2Cool

29-Apr / Packers Draft Threads / Mucky Tundra

29-Apr / Packers Draft Threads / Mucky Tundra

29-Apr / Packers Draft Threads / Mucky Tundra

28-Apr / Feedback, Suggestions and Issues / Zero2Cool

28-Apr / Packers Draft Threads / Mucky Tundra

Headlines
Copyright © 2006 - 2024 PackersHome.com™. All Rights Reserved.