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Offline dfosterf  
#1 Posted : Tuesday, December 9, 2008 4:04:52 PM(UTC)
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The Vikings "shot their wad" last off-season. We held "pat".

All these other teams in the North have been in superior position come draft time for the most part as well.

Great year in both the draft and FA for us to make some big-time moves, especially where we need it most, imo, both lines.

Losing Tausch as we did, probably simplifies things in the emotional attachment department.

Good draft position, plenty of cap money, dependent upon who stays/goes...

Extra pick w/ Brett Extra Pick from New Orleans in the 6th

Town of GB and the GB world up in arms...

IT IS TIME !

Shoot our wad...Bust a Move...

That's what I say, a STRONG Ted Thompson supporter to date.
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Offline Pack93z  
#2 Posted : Tuesday, December 9, 2008 4:24:56 PM(UTC)
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I will probably be pissed again around the start of free agency and especially the draft.. but once we hit the camps and late July rolls around.. I will be jacked again for the adds.

As much as I would love to see a stud added to either line.. in my mind I have programmed to tell myself that doesn't happen under this watch.. especially in these economic times..

It will be another business as usually quiet offseason.. however this year there will be little drama...
I think when there's enough will and aggression, there's no shortage of talent either.

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Offline gotarace  
#3 Posted : Tuesday, December 9, 2008 4:25:49 PM(UTC)
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Ted Thompsons wad spitting will be nothing more than a dribble and a dab. He has shown year after year he will not overpay a free agent and his affection for draft picks has became over apparent.
As much as i would love to see Ted Thompsons wad shooting take the bark off a tree .....i just don't see it happening.
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Offline gakko  
#4 Posted : Tuesday, December 9, 2008 5:28:29 PM(UTC)
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looks like we're getting and extra second round pick from the jets
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Offline MassPackersFan  
#5 Posted : Tuesday, December 9, 2008 6:20:39 PM(UTC)
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Right now it looks like it's going to be a 3rd. I don't see the Jets winning the division right now after losing the last two weeks. Miami could quite possibly take it, or New England. I'd say there is about a 20% chance they win the division, and zero chance they get a wild card slot.

Way to fold when you had the division wrapped up, Jets. :xcensoredx:
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Offline buckeyepackfan  
#6 Posted : Tuesday, December 9, 2008 6:53:47 PM(UTC)
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It will be a second, 4-12 to the playoffs is quite a fold.
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Offline MassPackersFan  
#7 Posted : Tuesday, December 9, 2008 6:55:35 PM(UTC)
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Sig bet?
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Offline dfosterf  
#8 Posted : Tuesday, December 9, 2008 7:00:34 PM(UTC)
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I think MassPackersfan is just about dead on in his prediction.

I think I'd go: New England 60% chance
Miami 40% chance
NY 20% chance

NO it doesn't have to equal 100........................


3rd is good, though. This is a good year to have it. I have been looking hard at this draft... It's going to be a good year for us.
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Offline Pack93z  
#9 Posted : Tuesday, December 9, 2008 7:05:36 PM(UTC)
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Jets have:

Buf at home.
At Seattle
Miami at home..

They should be able to win the next two and all the marbles are on the line with Miami coming into the snow.. Jets are sitting okay yet.

The Cards are going to give the NE team fits on defense..

It should be interesting.
I think when there's enough will and aggression, there's no shortage of talent either.

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Offline dfosterf  
#10 Posted : Tuesday, December 9, 2008 7:10:04 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: " Go to Quoted Post
Jets have:

Buf at home.
At Seattle
Miami at home..

They should be able to win the next two and all the marbles are on the line with Miami coming into the snow.. Jets are sitting okay yet.

The Cards are going to give the NE team fits on defense..

It should be interesting.


I wish it was all over today....Our consensus pick is Michael Oher falling to us at 10... How thrilling would THAT be? I am glad we get to watch this unfold for this pick and for Brett, but still... Michael Oher!!!??? END IT, I SAY!! :thumbleft:
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Offline MassPackersFan  
#11 Posted : Tuesday, December 9, 2008 7:16:39 PM(UTC)
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Ha, that would be killer.
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Offline go.pack.go.  
#12 Posted : Tuesday, December 9, 2008 7:33:36 PM(UTC)
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Who is Michael Oher? OL or DL?
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Offline bozz_2006  
#13 Posted : Tuesday, December 9, 2008 7:34:58 PM(UTC)
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Offline Cheesey  
#14 Posted : Tuesday, December 9, 2008 7:43:25 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: " Go to Quoted Post
Jets have:

Buf at home.
At Seattle
Miami at home..

They should be able to win the next two and all the marbles are on the line with Miami coming into the snow.. Jets are sitting okay yet.

The Cards are going to give the NE team fits on defense..

It should be interesting.

I don't know.......it's gonna be mighty cold, and we all know how well Favre does in cold games lately.
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Offline Nonstopdrivel  
#15 Posted : Tuesday, December 9, 2008 10:24:37 PM(UTC)
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Way to fold when you had the division wrapped up, Jets.


But of course, the fanatics would have us believe that if only the Packers hadn't traded Favre to the Jets, they'd be Superbowl-bound this year.
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Offline obi1  
#16 Posted : Wednesday, December 10, 2008 1:10:54 AM(UTC)
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From the title of this subject I thought somebody had proof that the old pornstar Johnny Wadd was shot!

Just kidding, I am now rooting for the Jets to go to the Superbowl so the Packers can get their 1st round pick.
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Offline porky88  
#17 Posted : Wednesday, December 10, 2008 2:11:01 AM(UTC)
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I've always felt if the right player was there you go get him. I felt it with Randy Moss and Jason Taylor actually as well. Now I accepted that Thompson didn't go get Moss and I obviously didn't call for his head because of that. The Packers ended up doing very well. I was dissapointed, but not ridiculous like some harsh critics are.

That was then.

Now I believe the same as a lot more people do and that's go into free agency. Time to take a risk. It's not like Charles Woodson was a safe signing. I recall a lot of people and I was one of them being very critical of Woodson when he was signed.

This year I've said in multiple threads about where we should spend $$$ on and that's the offensive and defensive line. I also think we should use the early draft picks on those positions. If the Packers don't then my opinion of this football team will probably be harsher than it was in quite a while. We'll see though, as Pack I believe said, we're so used to nothing happening in free agency, that by July we're all optimistic.
Offline blueleopard  
#18 Posted : Wednesday, December 10, 2008 5:45:16 AM(UTC)
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The thing with Woodson is that while it sure seemed like he was going to be overpaid, it's not like he could do any worse than Carroll.

It was a win-win, if you ask me. He sucked in the first 6 weeks, but he was money after that.
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Offline arrowgargantuan  
#19 Posted : Wednesday, December 10, 2008 7:09:14 AM(UTC)
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The thing with Woodson is that while it sure seemed like he was going to be overpaid, it's not like he could do any worse than Carroll.

It was a win-win, if you ask me. He sucked in the first 6 weeks, but he was money after that.


it really wasn't though. he was coming off of a broken leg i believe? (fact check me please) Not to mention the very public attitude problems he had with Bill Callahan. at the time, that free agent signing seemed like a shot in the dark.

it turned out lovely though.
Offline Rockmolder  
#20 Posted : Wednesday, December 10, 2008 7:26:50 AM(UTC)
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With all the criticism going on atm, he'll nearly be forced to sign someone.

If he doesn't sign at least one free agent this off-season, he'll have a crapload of people over him, and I can't see him wanting to go through that after the whole Favre saga.

What I would see him do though, is signing some crappy OT for 1 mil a year, who sits on the bench most of the time, to somewhat please the fans.
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Offline dfosterf  
#21 Posted : Wednesday, December 10, 2008 12:43:44 PM(UTC)
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I've always felt if the right player was there you go get him. I felt it with Randy Moss and Jason Taylor actually as well. Now I accepted that Thompson didn't go get Moss and I obviously didn't call for his head because of that. The Packers ended up doing very well. I was dissapointed, but not ridiculous like some harsh critics are.

That was then.

Now I believe the same as a lot more people do and that's go into free agency. Time to take a risk. It's not like Charles Woodson was a safe signing. I recall a lot of people and I was one of them being very critical of Woodson when he was signed.

This year I've said in multiple threads about where we should spend $$$ on and that's the offensive and defensive line. I also think we should use the early draft picks on those positions. If the Packers don't then my opinion of this football team will probably be harsher than it was in quite a while. We'll see though, as Pack I believe said, we're so used to nothing happening in free agency, that by July we're all optimistic.



Over at packerchatters, they went on for over 90 pages on the Randy Moss deal. I didn't post a single opinion, as the subject seemed so divisive. :icon_smile: I didn't realize at the time that it was just practice for what was to come. At the time, I was rather lukewarm on the idea of Randy Moss...frankly, I was leaning towards not wanting him, due to work ethic issues, and I thought he had lost a step. I think it fair to say that (and NO, I am NOT reopening that debate) Ted Thompson had enough legitimate reasons to not go crazy in an attempt to secure his services. I hate it when those with a continued agenda look back at signings and non-signings made by TT. To be clear, I am not in any way casting this upon you, Porky...I suspect you and I run very similar in our perspectives. I find your posts well-reasoned, cogent, and entertaining to read...like mine ... :thumbleft: :thumbleft:

Along comes the Favre fiasco. This will be the great polarizing issue all will refer to when discussing anything of controversy regarding the Pack.

I pointed out to my dad once that he was in the minority on the one true deciding factor in what kind of person you really are. You see, my dad is a stander. I'm a runner. When a bee or a mess of bees come around, what do you do? Many runners think they can be quasi-standers, and will ignore the bees, as best as possible, but if the bees "press", they will crack under the pressure and roll out and away. Not my dad and his fellow standers...they will stay in ignore mode, and be none the worse for wear. Now a stander can't run, and a runner can't stand, or they will be stung by those bees. Why draw this analogy? A- because I just like it, and B-because it is reflective of the polarization between the Ted Thompson supporting crowd as regards "the decision", and the Brett supporting crowd.

I am a staunch Ted Thompson supporter in the "decision". I will not change, and am fully cognizant and understanding of those that are on the other side of the equation. This now goes back to my bee analogy. I do not like or trust a Brett supporter of the decision when they enter into the fray as regards decisions made by TT... It equates to a runner attempting to temporarily stand amongst the bees. I know everyone is entitled to their opinion, and I know that many former Brett Favre crotch-sniffers have ostensibly moved on, and I know I shouldn't hold that position held against fellow posters...but I do.

I also feel a sense of entitlement in the criticism department when it comes to TT, for having given him my support, and further I am one hell of a lot more interested in the critique of Ted Thompson by those that held firm in their support of him during the debate. I could go into the whys..but my fellow supporters allready know them, because they are smart. :thumbleft:
Ted Thompson doesn't deserve much blame for the Randy Moss thing. Nor for the The Gonzales thing. One that pissed me off, seemed to fly below the radar of most Ted Thompson haters, and that was a failure (at least to my knowledge) of any attempt to secure the services of Alan Faneca. That one still pisses me off, and it further pisses me off that I had to remain mostly silent about it because I didn't feel like giving the crotch-sniffers ammunition.

As I have said...well, I've said what you said. As I quoted from a fellow poster from Packerchatters...Forgot the quote, but here's the gist... Ted has done an excellent job in securing a multitude of 2- 3 year project talent players to rebuild this team. This luxury no longer exists, and he must now start to secure players that will make more of an immediate impact. If he doesn't do that, the debate will rage here and elsewhere, my prediction being that from a personal standpoint, I will argue aggressively with those that supported Ted Thompson in the fiasco, and either completely ignore or flame those that I have come to know as BF crotch-sniffers.

Build the lines, Ted... that's what I started out to say. :thumbleft:
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Offline bozz_2006  
#22 Posted : Wednesday, December 10, 2008 2:08:38 PM(UTC)
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With all the criticism going on atm, he'll nearly be forced to sign someone.

If he doesn't sign at least one free agent this off-season, he'll have a crapload of people over him, and I can't see him wanting to go through that after the whole Favre saga.

What I would see him do though, is signing some crappy OT for 1 mil a year, who sits on the bench most of the time, to somewhat please the fans.


I basically agree with you Rock. I think Ted will basically be forced into signing an A-list free agent. He got crap about it last year, but we won a lot of games, so he got off the hook. He got crap about it in the preseason this year, but because of last year, he was given a bit of a reprieve. Now, because of our record this year, regardless of injuries and the fact that we have one of the toughest schedules in the league this year, that reprieve has been rescinded. Ted almost has to make a splash this year. Time to do a canonball into the free agent pool Ted, for better or worse.
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Offline warhawk  
#23 Posted : Wednesday, December 10, 2008 2:50:52 PM(UTC)
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I believe it is the time to give greater consideration to get the FA talent to put us over the top. IMO we needed this influx of good young talent and build the kind of depth a team needs to compete for sixteen games and then the playoffs.

We are obviously competitive and can stay with teams but are lacking what we need to get over the hump. A consistent pass rush and OL blocking.

I think there will be pressure on Thompson to produce and not rely soley on the draft and building from within to get where we need to be. The good news is I don't think we need a boat load of players to do this.

If Ted concentrates on even one good OL and one good DL I think we have enough talent with the injured guys coming back to turn these close losses into "W's".

The dropoff in production on defense in sacks and pressures from last year is the single most glaring deficiency on an otherwise pretty solid football team.

I think Ted is smart enough to know we are close and if we were getting after the QB this year would have turned out totally different.
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#24 Posted : Wednesday, December 10, 2008 3:00:15 PM(UTC)
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whose to say that Ted Thompson wasnt planning on going into Free Agency this year anyway. Whos to say that even if we were 13-0 right now, Ted wouldn't be picking his free agents out right now?

We had to right the ship. It was headed for a massive iceberg. Ted purged the awful roster, got a great base started though the draft and now has a very talented yet underachieving roster. What this did, was change the course of the ship away from that Iceberg. A lot of people wanted to just go full steam ahead and try to bust through the iceberg. Ted slowed the ship, corrected the course and we have completely missed that iceberg. Who's to say he isn't planning on going full steam now?
Ted Thompson haters tend to be so short sighted, I'm glad we have someone with the vision and the balls to fix things no matter what people say.
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#25 Posted : Wednesday, December 10, 2008 3:02:46 PM(UTC)
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Thompson has balls.
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