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Zero2Cool  
#1 Posted : Monday, April 15, 2019 11:52:26 AM(UTC)
I'd be okay with a Ball if Fame QB at 30. 2005 strategy all over!

Darin Gantt said:
The Packers bringing Missouri quarterback Drew Lock in for a visit wasn't just a one-off chance to meet a particular guy. They're apparently trying to cast a wide net. According to Ian Rapoport of NFL Network, the Packers were trying to arrange a visit for Duke's Daniel Jones, but were unable to get him in. [more]

Continue Reading @ Darin Gantt
nerdmann  
#2 Posted : Monday, April 15, 2019 1:02:37 PM(UTC)
Misdirection?
KRK  
#3 Posted : Monday, April 15, 2019 1:35:12 PM(UTC)
I love this kid, he the next guy to build a dynasty around

Daniel Jones, Coach Cut and the Manning Connection

By KALYN KAHLER February 07, 2019
David Cutcliffe is driving south on I-85. Duke’s head coach had a busy day in Atlanta, hopping from high school to high school recruiting. Tonight, he’ll speak to a group of Alabama high school football coaches in Montgomery, but his thoughts keep turning to another part of the state, where Daniel Jones, the quarterback he’s coached for the last four years, is in the middle of a crucial week at Senior Bowl.

“I don’t even have time to check the internet and it’s frustrating because I am actually a nervous wreck,” Cutcliffe says. “I can’t help but to be.”

Cutcliffe knows being there would be more distracting than helpful, because Jones is rarely referenced without mention of his coach, who also developed Peyton and Eli Manning. “I’d love to be there,” Cutcliffe says, “but I’d have to put a disguise on.”

Jones is one of the top quarterback prospects in the 2019 draft class; there’s a lot to like about him. He’s 6' 5", 220 lbs, he’s accurate, he’s shown an ability to read defenses and manipulate coverage with his eyes, and he’s resilient—he broke his collarbone early in the 2018 season at Northwestern, had surgery to fix it, and returned to the field just 20 days later.

NFL teams have questions about his arm strength, and he could stand to speed up his release, but as of right now, most scouts I’ve talked to predict he’ll be the second or third quarterback picked. Jones threw two interceptions during seven-on-seven work at a Senior Bowl practice and was outperformed by another top prospect, Missouri quarterback Drew Lock. When it came to the actual game, Jones outplayed Lock in an MVP performance. One NFL scout said that right now, Jones and Lock are quarterbacks 2a and 2b behind Ohio State’s Dwayne Haskins, and it will depend on what a team is looking for in their quarterback. The same scout said that in his view, “Jones gets the edge because of Cutcliffe.”

Cutcliffe’s most successful pupil concurs. “Daniel has a real advantage because he has been coached by Coach Cutcliffe,” Peyton Manning says… “or Coach Cut, as everyone calls him.”

Cutcliffe was Peyton Manning’s quarterbacks coach and offensive coordinator at the University of Tennessee, and Eli Manning’s head coach at Ole Miss. “My dad had the biggest impact on me, but after that it was Coach Cut,” Peyton says. “Because he got me from [age] 18 to 22 and developed me.”

Every offseason during his NFL career, Peyton paid a visit to Cutcliffe wherever he was coaching—Ole Miss, Tennessee or Duke. “I’d go back for a tuneup, like a golfer going back to his first swing coach,” Peyton says. “He is very candid, he’ll always point out any bad habits that you have. As you get older in the NFL that’s the biggest challenge, being on top of fundamentals and details, and that is his strength.”

Even though he is now retired, Peyton still went back to Duke with Eli last offseason, and Jones was there to pick the brothers’ brains. Jones was a counselor at the Manning Passing Academy for two years, and has developed a relationship with the Mannings because of their connection to Cutcliffe. Peyton says he was even part of Jones’s decision process to forego his final year eligibility at Duke and enter the draft. “We spent a decent amount of time talking about what he was going to do,” Peyton says. “My advice to him was, it’s up to you to make the right decision by what you do now, going to work and going all the way.”

When Jones decided to declare for the draft, he called Peyton to let him know his final decision.

Cutcliffe has his own unique vocabulary of quarterback-isms, which is often subconsciously repeated by players he has coached. You’ll hear it in Peyton’s dialogue on his Details show on ESPN+, and you’ll hear certain phrases pop up in interviews with Jones. Do the right things in practice. Fast-twitch decisions. No feet, defeat. We train a quarterback from the neck up and the neck down. And Peyton’s personal favorite: There’s a completion out there somewhere on first down.

In his NFL career, Peyton was known for his devotion to study and preparation—the neck up—which is something he picked up in part from Cutcliffe. Jones’s private quarterbacks coach, David Morris, was Eli Manning’s backup at Ole Miss. Morris remembers that each week on the night before the game, Cutcliffe would sit them down for a QB test. “We used to sit in a room and go over signals,” he says. “Eli would always beat me, he has a better memory than I do. Coach Cut is all about the details, so it requires a lot of studying in order to be good under those guys.

In interviews with teams at the Senior Bowl, Jones says the topic of his relationship with the Mannings and Cutcliffe came up frequently, and the conversation always came back to that familiar word: preparation. “People are interested in my connection with Peyton and Eli and how they have helped me and I am certainly willing to share that,” he says. “I think those guys have impacted the way I prepared and made an impression on how important preparing is.”

“We spend a lot of time in the classroom,” says Cutcliffe. “One of the reasons our guys will succeed is they know the work ethic, they know the study, they know the amount of time it takes to prepare, and Daniel is tremendous from the neck up.”

Jones, who played high school football in-state at Charlotte Latin School, was initially overlooked by Duke. He was a bit of late bloomer and grew taller between his junior and senior years. During basketball season his junior year he broke his right wrist, but didn’t realize it until May of that year. He underwent surgery on his throwing wrist and, because of the early summer timing, missed his chance to get noticed by major programs on the camp circuit. Jones committed to Princeton, the only school that had offered him, until Morris, who by then had been coaching Jones for two years, called his old coach Cutcliffe. “I know y'all got a quarterback,” Morris told him. “But you really need to check out this kid.”

Then Cutcliffe’s phone rang again. It was Larry McNulty, Jones’s high school coach at Charlotte Latin School. “Coach, I think he is better than Princeton,” McNulty said. “I know you’ll know when you take a look.”

Cutcliffe put on the tape and called McNulty back. “Don’t you call anybody else,” Cutcliffe said. “You’re right, and we want him at Duke.”

Charlotte Latin had one game left on the schedule, so Cutcliffe assigned Scottie Montgomery, then Duke’s offensive coordinator, to go to the game. Montgomery loved what he saw. Jones loved Duke so much he committed without a scholarship offer (the Blue Devils had already filled their recruiting class). In July, a scholarship opened up for him. “The recruiting process is a little faulty these days when you don’t really get to evaluate seniors,” Cutcliffe says. “Everything is moved up so fast that I’m sure what our coaches had done who had the area is took a brief look off junior tape and that's how you miss them.”

Thankfully for Jones, the rigorous NFL scouting process leaves no chance he’ll be overlooked this time. Peyton says he’s already had a couple NFL teams call him during this past college season to ask about Jones.

One scout in Mobile said that Cutcliffe’s reputation will help Jones because teams want to eliminate risk when drafting a player. Knowing that Jones was coached by Cutcliffe will help eliminate any concern that he won’t be prepared, or won’t pick up an NFL offense quickly enough.

Jones has a thick binder that holds all papers related to his training and draft preparation, organized neatly. There’s a divider for his schedule, a divider for his notes on different types of NFL offenses, and divider called, The QB Bonus, which houses several excerpts about quarterbacks from Bill Parcells and Bill Walsh’s books, Rudyard Kipling’s poem, “If,” and a white sheet of paper labeled Strengths and Weaknesses. In the Weaknesses column is written “being assertive.” Morris and Jones point out this is listed here because it’s a weakness that others perceive him to have, because Jones is naturally quiet and serious.

“He reminds me of Eli a little bit,” Morris says. “Somewhat soft-spoken, super competitive.” Jones knows that his reserved nature can cast doubt on his ability to lead a team, and he’s ready to combat it. “Sometimes when people first meet me they perceive my personality to be less than maybe what is typical of a guy in my position,” he says. “But I don't think I've ever had an issue doing that and I feel confident in my ability to assert myself.”

Several scouts wonder, has Cutcliffe coached a successful NFL quarterback since the Mannings? Before Peyton, he coached a high draft pick in Heath Shuler—a bust. At Duke, where he has coached since 2007, he produced journeyman backup Thad Lewis and former seventh-round pick Sean Renfree. But while Cutcliffe’s last NFL success story is Eli, he also hasn’t had a talent like that until now.

By the time Cutcliffe starts his presentation that night for the group of Alabama high school football coaches, he’s taken a second to watch a quick clip of Jones throwing at Senior Bowl practice. “It made me smile because that ball just came out like it was supposed to,” he says. “It let me go to sleep because I am worried like it’s a son.”

As NFL evaluators will tell you, the Cutcliffe connection is nice, but ultimately it’s Jones throwing the ball
sschind  
#4 Posted : Monday, April 15, 2019 2:03:27 PM(UTC)
nerdmann said: Go to Quoted Post
Misdirection?


Since both these guys will likely be gone by the 4th round (earliest I would be OK with them drafting a QB) I certainly hope so. I'm not entirely opposed to bringing in a QB but I don't care for the idea of spending a day 1 or 2 pick on one. There are a couple of reasons to draft one.

1) the obvious reason is to have Rodgers' successor but I am hoping we have Aaron Rodgers for more than 4 years so any QB drafted now (unless its a first rounder) would be a FA before Rodgers is ready to move on and unless Rodgers does move on after 4 years anyone drafted now worth his salt will be gone via FA. Unless Rodgers has a career ending injury I find it very unlikely that his successor will be drafted this year. The numbers just don't add up.

2) As a solid backup for Rodgers. I can see this but that would mean they have likely given up on Kizer but it wouldn't likely be until next year anyway. Unless he really rocks it I would see any rookie being #3 on the depth chart meaning we would have to carry 3 on the 53 man roster because I'm sure Kizer or a rookie would be poached of the PS pretty quickly. Its possible after a few years years if he shows some promise we could trade him but if we spend too high of a pick on him we won't likely be able to upgrade and we may be lucky to recoup what we spend to get him.

KRK  
#5 Posted : Monday, April 15, 2019 2:25:52 PM(UTC)
kizer is likely not the answer, and I wish it weren't so.

Jones is young and needs some time to develop, I would likely take him at 30, but if he was there in round 2 for sure
Cheesey  
#6 Posted : Monday, April 15, 2019 7:09:27 PM(UTC)
Zero2Cool said: Go to Quoted Post
I'd be okay with a Ball if Fame QB at 30. 2005 strategy all over!



Yavoll! Das ball if Fame QBs are rare!!!LOL
Sorry! It just really made me laugh! I know what you meant!Laugh
KRK  
#7 Posted : Monday, April 15, 2019 8:03:56 PM(UTC)
That is not a typo. I think Z2C was saying that it would be such a good pick and such a great contract which Russ Ball would negotiate that it would be come to be known as a "Ball of Fame" LOL
sschind  
#8 Posted : Tuesday, April 16, 2019 2:11:23 PM(UTC)
KRK said: Go to Quoted Post
kizer is likely not the answer, and I wish it weren't so.

Jones is young and needs some time to develop, I would likely take him at 30, but if he was there in round 2 for sure


Its kind of like the Aaron Rodgers situation in that he may be too good to pass up but the difference is that then the writing was kind of on the wall for Favre already. He could have pulled the plug at any time. With Rodgers that does not seem to be the case. The only way a 2019 draft pick is going to be our starter in the next 4 years is if Rodgers gets hurt. I'm all for that solid #2 man but if it is going to take 2 years to develop into one I think it may be a wasted pick. I'd hate to pass on someone who could provide immediate help but if they think he could be the next franchise QB more so than any coming up in the 2020,2021 drafts I guess you take him and figure it out later.

There is always the possibility that after 2020 when we can get out from underwater with Rodgers contract we could try to trade him if Jones looks like he is all that.

If they are going to take him I'd prefer they take him at 30 rather than 44 so they get the 5th year option. That's the only thing that makes any sense to me. In his 5th year we can move on from Rodgers with no dead cap hit and decide what to do with Jones then.
nerdmann  
#9 Posted : Tuesday, April 16, 2019 4:11:27 PM(UTC)
sschind said: Go to Quoted Post
Its kind of like the Aaron Rodgers situation in that he may be too good to pass up but the difference is that then the writing was kind of on the wall for Favre already. He could have pulled the plug at any time. With Rodgers that does not seem to be the case. The only way a 2019 draft pick is going to be our starter in the next 4 years is if Rodgers gets hurt. I'm all for that solid #2 man but if it is going to take 2 years to develop into one I think it may be a wasted pick. I'd hate to pass on someone who could provide immediate help but if they think he could be the next franchise QB more so than any coming up in the 2020,2021 drafts I guess you take him and figure it out later.

There is always the possibility that after 2020 when we can get out from underwater with Rodgers contract we could try to trade him if Jones looks like he is all that.

If they are going to take him I'd prefer they take him at 30 rather than 44 so they get the 5th year option. That's the only thing that makes any sense to me. In his 5th year we can move on from Rodgers with no dead cap hit and decide what to do with Jones then.

There is a situation where the analogy holds. For example, if they are sending a message to Aaron that he is not indispensable.

However since we have confirmed that Aaron has been on the up and up the entire time, we can safely dismiss this possibility.
buckeyepackfan  
#10 Posted : Tuesday, April 16, 2019 4:18:27 PM(UTC)
Aaron's replacwment is now just graduating High School.

Plenty of smoke screens being sent out.


https://www.scout.com/Se...ool&PositionGroup=QB
Nonstopdrivel  
#11 Posted : Tuesday, April 16, 2019 6:38:41 PM(UTC)
Daniel Jeremiah over at NFL.com is mocking Drew Lock to the Packers at No. 30:

Daniel Jeremiah said:
The Packers have been doing a lot of homework on quarterbacks this draft season. They once spent a first-round pick on a QB who'd become the eventual replacement for a 35-year-old future Hall of Famer, and they repeat history here.
Nonstopdrivel  
#12 Posted : Tuesday, April 16, 2019 6:54:28 PM(UTC)
Charles Robinson said:
Sure, there'd be tension with Aaron Rodgers, but here's case for Packers drafting a QB
Charles Robinson
NFL columnist
Yahoo Sports
Apr 16, 2019, 1:42 PM

When it circulated around the NFL early this week that Missouri quarterback Drew Lock would be a late visit added to the docket of the Green Bay Packers, an NFC personnel man who worked on a staff with Packers coach Matt LaFleur was nonplussed.

“I’m not surprised at all,” he said. “That’s exactly the kind of quarterback that Matt would like.”

He completed the thought with the only question that matters when a visit like this pops up.

“Do you think the Packers would take a quarterback in [Round] 1?”

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Could Drew Lock or Daniel Jones give Packers golden opportunity?

Lock visiting the Packers this week – and the team also attempting to schedule a visit with Duke’s Daniel Jones – illustrates the last-minute visits that occasionally insert unexpected question marks into the draft. Is there some indication a highly rated player is sliding? Is this some ruse, hoping to manipulate a draft day trade? Or is this a franchise thinking outside the box and applying the concept of long-term preparation over short-term need?

With the Packers and the quarterback spot, it could be any of those scenarios. They could be trying to instigate a trade that pushes another player down to their 12th or 30th picks in the first round. Or they could be doing some due diligence on quarterbacks, knowing Lock or Jones could falter at the NFL level and become available down the line, like current Green Bay backup DeShone Kizer did in Cleveland.

Or, well, the Packers may actually be thinking years ahead of everyone else, and making plans to secure another decade of stability at the quarterback position. Taking the sustained brilliance of the Brett Favre to Aaron Rodgers transition and extending it to what few NFL franchises could fathom: another transition down the line that could lead to an unprecedented 40-year run with a high level quarterback at the helm.

Before Packers fans lose their minds about the team burning one of two first-round picks on a quarterback, they should take a moment to absorb the opportunity at hand. It’s not often that a successful franchise has two first-round picks at its disposal. And it’s even more rare that maybe the right quarterback will be available for a long-term grooming plan. Yet, that could be precisely what the Packers are staring at right now.

Opportunity.

More important, a rare opportunity that isn’t foreign to the franchise. Few in Green Bay need to be reminded of this scenario. Either they’re old enough to remember that day when Rodgers was drafted with a 2005 first-round pick – when a 35-year-old Favre was on the roster – or they’ve heard the tale retold one of the 50 million times since it happened.

Internally, there’s no question of that memory. Current general manager Brian Gutekunst lived through it as a Packers scout. Current team president Mark Murphy was front and center for the turbulent Favre-to-Rodgers transition in 2008. Like Gutekunst, he knows what this road looks like, down to every last curve and pothole.

It’s why this scenario is intriguing. There is enough institutional knowledge – and plenty of proven benefits – to suggest that the Packers’ brain trust could seriously consider taking a quarterback with one of the first-round picks in hand. Is it likely? No. But chew on this one: It was actually less likely that Green Bay would take Rodgers when the 2005 draft started, given that the franchise had only one first-round pick and Rodgers was likely to have been long gone by the time the Packers had a shot at him.

Now? Not only could one or both of the Lock/Jones tandem be on the board at the 12th and 30th picks, but Green Bay has the additional first-round capital to roll the dice, while also having addressed other pressing needs this offseason.

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Spoils of Favre, Rodgers transition

This is what a splurge in free agency (for Green Bay, anyway) can buy: some draft flexibility that even includes an opportunity to look at quarterbacks. The Packers’ additions of linebackers Za’Darius Smith and Preston Smith, safety Adrian Amos and guard Billy Turner puts Green Bay into a spot where it has a luxury option with its two first-round picks. While 12th overall pick can be targeted for more immediate starting help – think tight end, offensive tackle, edge rusher and linebacker – the 30th choice acquired from the New Orleans Saints last year can be the “window” pick. One that has a contingency plan where if the right quarterback falls, they can take him, squirrel him away for development and don’t regret it.

That’s something fans have to understand about transitioning from one starting quarterback to another who is being developed. It’s a chess game. There is complexity. It takes plenty of mental energy. But when a team is truly good at it, it has something special that sets it apart from opponents. And nothing sets any NFL franchise apart than the ability to transition from one great quarterback to the next without dead years in between. The Joe Montana to Steve Young window kept the San Francisco 49ers competitive for 18 years. The Drew Brees to Philip Rivers handoff has kept the San Diego/Los Angeles Chargers competitive for 17 years and counting. But none has been as impressive as Favre to Rodgers, which has helped keep the Packers in the league’s mix of relevancy since 1992. That’s an insane 27 years and counting.

The span includes 19 playoff seasons, three Super Bowl appearances and two Super Bowl wins. Maybe you can argue there should have been more championships in that run, but you can’t deny that for nearly three decades, the Packers placed themselves into an elite tier alongside celebrated franchises like the New England Patriots and Pittsburgh Steelers. And they did it largely by solving the game’s hardest position with two Hall of Fame caliber quarterbacks, not to mention the foresight and guts to transition from one guy to the next, despite the significant friction and second-guessing that initially comes with such a move.

Drafting 101: Need vs. a plan

So here’s the key question for Green Bay: With two first-round picks, what if it sees a quarterback on the board who can help take that 27-year window of success to 40 years? And what if that player falls in the draft like Rodgers did in 2005? Say Gutekunst, Murphy and LaFleur see their next Rodgers in Lock or Jones. Now imagine Lock or Jones sitting there at 30. Some will argue Rodgers is going to play for another four or five years, so that pick can’t be made. Packers history suggests the real malfeasance is knowing it’s the right quarterback pick – and an act of preparation that has worked – and then not making the selection.

Teams get themselves in trouble when they draft for a need rather than a plan. The Patriots have spent two decades drafting more for a plan than a need. And by doing so, they’ve swapped out key parts around Tom Brady and kept rolling. In the rare instances they have reached for a need (see their history of wide receiver selections) they have had some significant disappointments.

So what is the chess move here for Green Bay? Well, that all depends on how the team feels about a guy like Lock or Jones, or perhaps another quarterback who isn’t obvious. If the Packers don’t like any of them, the maneuver is to tip that they’re looking at quarterbacks. It could be why they brought in Lock and Jones late in the process, sending messages to teams below the 12th and 30th overall picks that, hey, Green Bay might take their guy. And maybe they instigate movement where a franchise jumps up in front of them and pushes another player on the board down.

Teams absolutely do this. And if you think they don’t, I’ll share this: In the past month, I’ve had a draft analyst on the TV side tell me that some of his NFL friends in front offices have half-jokingly asked him to talk up specific players as hot commodities on draft boards, in hopes that it would stimulate those guys to come off the board and push someone else down. So don’t put it past a team like the Packers to burn some personal visits with guys like Lock or Jones to send a signal and hope it generates some draft day movement that benefits Green Bay. That’s the kind of pump fake that happens this time of year. And if that’s what the Packers are trying to do, then the mission is accomplished. The visits have been aired out. As a matter of public record, Lock and Jones are supposedly on Green Bay’s radar.

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Why insurance is needed for Aaron Rodgers

But if the chess move is the obvious one – actually considering Lock or Jones – then the difficult part is just getting here. First, waiting to see if one of the preferred guys is on the board where it makes sense for the Packers to take him, which would seem to to be the 30th overall pick. Second, having the constitution to make the pick, which would undoubtedly put a little needle into the side of Rodgers. And finally, navigating the fan conversation that comes next in the Green Bay bubble: What does this mean about Rodgers? What was Aaron’s reaction? What’s the long-term plan? How will this next quarterback be groomed? and at some point, how hard is Favre laughing right now?

Make no mistake, all of this can happen when this draft comes and goes. Kizer showed enough in 2018 to suggest he’s not any kind of long-term answer to replace Rodgers, and isn’t a great answer in the short term if Rodgers is sidelined by injury. The hard data on Rodgers, who has a monster contract, shows a recent history of injuries for a player entering the backside of his NFL career.

Rodgers isn’t a great candidate to play into his early 40s. Would he like to do that? Surely. Most competitive quarterbacks will feel that way. But just because Rodgers states that as an intention doesn’t mean his body or skills will hold up as long as he expects. I’m sure guys like Ben Roethlisberger, Eli Manning and Rivers have days when they can see playing beyond 40 at an elite level. But it’s asinine to think it’s something that can be wished into existence. Even for players like Rodgers or Brady.

The Packers are sure taking all of this into account. Fans should do the same and ask themselves, are they sure that an insurance policy like Lock or Jones isn’t the smart move here? If either of those players is seen as a true successor with a 10-year career after Rodgers departs, then it’s not only a good option, it’s a must.

Fans can feel free to debate that, but I’ll just end all of this with the brass tacks numbers, which should be considered alongside the idea of pivoting into the next iteration of quarterback stability.

Rodgers turns 36 in December. He’s had some troubling injuries for two straight seasons. Under his current contract, he’s essentially locked in as the team’s starter for the next three seasons. That’s not changing, barring catastrophic injury. All of which takes the Packers into 2022, the season when a 38-year-old Rodgers will have a whopping $37 million salary-cap charge. Even with the latest Russell Wilson contract extension, a $37 million cap charge is the kind of money that suggests Rodgers should still be playing like a top-five quarterback in the NFL.

With that in mind, play the current scenario out. Say the Packers feel Lock or Jones or some other quarterback is absolutely going to develop into a star at the position. And say the Packers have an opportunity to get one of those guys near the 30th overall pick. If they select that player and then groom him for the next three years, the team has undeniable flexibility in 2022, either to begin a transition or potentially flip that quarterback for new draft capital.

If Rodgers isn’t living up to his cap charge in 2022, the Packers will be able to part ways with him and take only an $11.5 million hit in dead cap money. That should be very easy to deal with in 2022, not to mention also opening up a net salary cap gain of $25.5 million to be used elsewhere. Simply put, Rodgers can be moved off the roster in some fashion and the quarterback the Packers have been grooming can step in and start in his fourth NFL season – mirroring what happened when the Packers went from Favre to Rodgers in 2008.

There’s a beneficial flip side, too. Say Rodgers enters 2022 sustaining a high level of play like Brady. That would give the Packers the option of taking the quarterback they’d groomed for three seasons – and who hopefully would have shown his tools in whatever opportunities he had during that span – and put him on the trade market before his fourth year. Something along the lines of what the Patriots did with Jimmy Garoppolo. If that was the option on the table, it would mean Green Bay got the best of all worlds: Rodgers continuing to justify his salary slot; the young quarterback providing high level insurance as a backup; and the ability to get trade capital at the end of the rainbow.

Everyone wins in that scenario, albeit with some dynamic tension that’s bound to exist between Rodgers and his presumed backup.

This is what can happen when a franchise drafts for a plan rather than a need. It’s a long play, with some assumed risks, but that’s what the best franchises do. In some circumstances, they’re willing to look three or five or seven moves ahead of the field. Sometimes that’s what it takes to be special for decades, rather than years.

The Packers should know this. They have done this. And now might be the time to do it again.
KRK  
#13 Posted : Tuesday, April 16, 2019 6:54:31 PM(UTC)
DrNSD discussed:
Quote:
Daniel Jeremiah over at NFL.com is mocking...
Dr., not to be critical, but when I read this I thought you meant he was criticizing the pick vs. the intended meaning of 'projecting in a mock draft'

Perhaps I am old and out of touch, but please take into consideration that many us readers are old and will ascribe older definitions to certain words....so there.

However, you second post was terrific.
Nonstopdrivel  
#14 Posted : Tuesday, April 16, 2019 7:18:45 PM(UTC)
I used to hate that usage as well, and to this day I tend to find it confusing at first glance, but it's so ubiquitous in these circles that I have finally acquiesced to shifting language patterns. Cursing
Cheesey  
#15 Posted : Wednesday, April 17, 2019 9:00:26 AM(UTC)
Getting Rodgers replacement now....Aaron could play for another 5 or 6 years. It may be too soon.
But of course he could be done sooner. It’s a crap shoot.
If they did take a QB now, they would have time to evaluate him and see if he’s any good, or another Hundley.
Damned if you do, damned if you don’t.
Nonstopdrivel  
#16 Posted : Wednesday, April 17, 2019 12:41:19 PM(UTC)
Rodgers goes down with a career-ending knee injury, you look like a genius. The quarterback leaves for greener pastures after his rookie contract is up, people laugh at you for squandering a first-round draft pick. You have to do what you think gives your team the best chance to win.
Nonstopdrivel  
#17 Posted : Wednesday, April 17, 2019 1:08:30 PM(UTC)
Incidentally, Michael Silver says the Packers are not interested in acquiring Josh Rosen.
KRK  
#18 Posted : Wednesday, April 17, 2019 3:10:55 PM(UTC)
Cheesey chastised:
Quote:
Getting Rodgers replacement now....Aaron could play for another 5 or 6 years. It may be too soon.
What happened to Best Player Available (BPA)?

If Jones or Lock is viewed as a can't miss talent, take him...I think Jones is, and I have not studied Lock enough to know.

Further, why do you have to lose them at year 5. Rodgers will be older then and may be ready to move on. What a great problem we would have if whichever QB drafted was terrific.
Cheesey  
#19 Posted : Wednesday, April 17, 2019 3:35:51 PM(UTC)
KRK said: Go to Quoted Post
Cheesey chastised: What happened to Best Player Available (BPA)?

If Jones or Lock is viewed as a can't miss talent, take him...I think Jones is, and I have not studied Lock enough to know.

Further, why do you have to lose them at year 5. Rodgers will be older then and may be ready to move on. What a great problem we would have if whichever QB drafted was terrific.

KRK dun uses big wurds!!! “Chaz-tized”?!?!LOL
So....do you think Jones is a “Lock”, or is LOCK a lock?
Do you think Lock could MASTER the Packer offense?

(Get it???)LOL
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gbguy20 (18h) : the tides have turned
Nonstopdrivel (19h) : The only reason they're even in this game is because they're dominating on the boards.
Zero2Cool (19h) : They've tried last several possessions and missed three times.
Nonstopdrivel (19h) : It's obnoxious watching the Bucks refuse to play inside the arc.
gbguy20 (24-May) : the rocks career ascension since the 90s has been amazing
Zero2Cool (24-May) : IT DOESN'T MATTAH!!
Zero2Cool (24-May) : As The Rock would say ...
wpr (24-May) : we 3-4 or 4-3?
Zero2Cool (24-May) : yet, some are gonna ask we 3-4 or 4-3
Zero2Cool (24-May) : 2018 the league average for base personnel on defense fell all the way to 25%
Zero2Cool (24-May) : You wouldn't have wanted me in chat last night.
gbguy20 (24-May) : solid
Nonstopdrivel (24-May) : Anyone going to get their butts in the chat room for this game?
TheKanataThrilla (24-May) : lol
gbguy20 (23-May) : Still no bye week listed Kevin. Don't you know what you are doing? young idiot
Zero2Cool (23-May) : Only thing I can guess is how Falcons used Taylor Gabriel.
Zero2Cool (23-May) : if anything, they like his open field ability and figure if they can get the ball to him in the flat from backfield = win
Zero2Cool (23-May) : More so thinking it is just not leaving any stone unturned.
Cheesey (23-May) : I’m not questioning you Zero, just trying to figure it out. Is Davis that good that they are trying so hard to find a spot where he can play?
Cheesey (23-May) : Why would they try a last ditch effort? I mean, if they have to try THAT hard, is he really worth it?
Zero2Cool (23-May) : Keep in mind the quick little fast guys that the Rams, Falcons used. They might see Trevor in that role.
Zero2Cool (23-May) : More than likely, this is a last ditch effort to find a spot for Trevor.
Cheesey (23-May) : I agree gbguy. He must have a relative in a high position on the Packers!
gbguy20 (22-May) : except ty was actually good (at both positions) where Trevor has never shown a reason to be on the 53. how he has been here for so long escapes me
wpr (22-May) : It's the Montgomery experiment all over again.
gbguy20 (22-May) : Trevor Davis practicing as a RB during OTAs. what the hell
Zero2Cool (22-May) : Folks usually say the series don't start until road team wins
TheKanataThrilla (22-May) : There was a stat that indicated that home crowd was most important in basketball of the big 4 sports. Not sure why.
Zero2Cool (22-May) : Raptors are simply better team top/down, and two of their main guys are hobbled.
Zero2Cool (22-May) : And didn't learn from past mistakes and lost Game 4.
Zero2Cool (22-May) : Bucks should have lost Game 1, got lucky. Dominated Game 2. Screwed up in Game 3.
Zero2Cool (22-May) : I don't think they are gonna make it to the Finals. No effort, no heart last night.
buckeyepackfan (22-May) : Don't panic Cheesey, series will go 7 games. NBA needs that to happen.
Cheesey (22-May) : Bucks stunk it up tonight. If they keep this up, they will be WATCHING the championship on TV.
TheKanataThrilla (22-May) : Congrats Blues. Stanley Cup bound.
gbguy20 (22-May) : i c u cheesey
Cheesey (21-May) : Yeah....would have been good “JU JU”! LOL!
Zero2Cool (21-May) : Should have taken JuJu Smith-Schuster instead of Josh Jones
Zero2Cool (21-May) : " So I think it's a good opportunity for those guys to get the bulk of the reps. I think everyone in here is comfortable what Davante is about."
Zero2Cool (21-May) : LaFleur says Davante Adams is present, but he did not practice: "Just precautionary, and ... we do have some young receivers. So I think it's a good opportunity for those guys to get the bulk of the r
Nonstopdrivel (21-May) : They won another Eastern Conference Championship in '74.
Nonstopdrivel (21-May) : They won it all in 1971.
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