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Offline DoddPower  
#41 Posted : Wednesday, June 12, 2013 8:52:50 AM(UTC)
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Dexter_Sinister said: Go to Quoted Post
McCarthey leaves that to the QB.

Specially Rodgers.

In post game PCs, McCarthey has said that he would have preferred to have run more, but he left it in Rodgers hands. That was a couple years ago.

I doubt he has suddenly started trusting Rodgers less and micro managing him more.



I get what you're saying, but ultimately, it's Mike McCarthy's responsibility. If Rodgers is not running the ball enough, than McCarthy needs to change that. He's the head coach, not Rodgers. He has to manufacture a run game. I don't mind so much last season when the Packers didn't have much talent at running back and was playing a stout defense, but that should not be the case this year. Rodgers is an elite passer. I have no doubt he would rather pass the vast majority of the time rather than run. He needs some check-and-balance from his head coach if he is, in fact, going with the pass option calls too often. Considering the amount of sub-packages (nickel/dime) the Packers face, there's no doubt in my mind they could run more, at times.

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#42 Posted : Wednesday, June 12, 2013 11:04:51 AM(UTC)
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This is all such horse hockey. Just run the damn ball...

Finally, we have the RBs to take our running game to levels we may not have seen in GB since Taylor & Hornung. If your QB is checking out to much in order to pass, and getting himself in trouble, the HC can pull him aside, or get in his ear and adjust accordingly. As a matter of fact, McCarthy has an obligation as HC to do so. Ball control will keep Kaepernick off the filed. It is that simple. Fundamental football.


Bet you a dollar it doesn't happen.
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#43 Posted : Wednesday, June 12, 2013 11:19:16 AM(UTC)
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Bet you a dollar it doesn't happen.


YOU ARE ON BRO! [laughing]
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#44 Posted : Wednesday, June 12, 2013 7:42:25 PM(UTC)
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doddpower said: Go to Quoted Post
I get what you're saying, but ultimately, it's Mike McCarthy's responsibility. If Rodgers is not running the ball enough, than McCarthy needs to change that. He's the head coach, not Rodgers. He has to manufacture a run game. I don't mind so much last season when the Packers didn't have much talent at running back and was playing a stout defense, but that should not be the case this year. Rodgers is an elite passer. I have no doubt he would rather pass the vast majority of the time rather than run. He needs some check-and-balance from his head coach if he is, in fact, going with the pass option calls too often. Considering the amount of sub-packages (nickel/dime) the Packers face, there's no doubt in my mind they could run more, at times.



In the SF game, they started running the ball, but Benson was a dog and we had nobody else.

In the Seattle game, I am pretty sure that McCarthey addressed it at half time. Rogers did hand it off a bit more.

But they still didn't have much for a RB.

They actually ran a lot at the end of the year. Because it was working and Harris was getting yards.

I don't think they need to run more. They need to run better. When they know you have to run it, you need to be able to hand it off and grind out some tough yards.

Having actual running backs will be a start.

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#45 Posted : Wednesday, June 12, 2013 7:44:46 PM(UTC)
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Bet you a dollar it doesn't happen.


I doubt they run more.

But I don't doubt they will run better.
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#46 Posted : Wednesday, June 12, 2013 7:51:40 PM(UTC)
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I get what you're saying, but ultimately, it's Mike McCarthy's responsibility. If Rodgers is not running the ball enough, than McCarthy needs to change that. He's the head coach, not Rodgers. He has to manufacture a run game. I don't mind so much last season when the Packers didn't have much talent at running back and was playing a stout defense, but that should not be the case this year. Rodgers is an elite passer. I have no doubt he would rather pass the vast majority of the time rather than run. He needs some check-and-balance from his head coach if he is, in fact, going with the pass option calls too often. Considering the amount of sub-packages (nickel/dime) the Packers face, there's no doubt in my mind they could run more, at times.



They don't need to run more. They need to run better.

With nobody healthy, it wasn't a viable option. To stubbornly hand it off when Benson can only get 2 yards per is not better than what Rodgers can do without any running game.

No, I didn't consider Benson a healthy RB. Even when he was healthy.

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#47 Posted : Thursday, June 13, 2013 8:47:52 AM(UTC)
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They don't need to run more. They need to run better.

With nobody healthy, it wasn't a viable option. To stubbornly hand it off when Benson can only get 2 yards per is not better than what Rodgers can do without any running game.

No, I didn't consider Benson a healthy RB. Even when he was healthy.



And I get that to a degree as well. But 2-3 yards per carry followed by a 40-50 yard run can still lead to a nice average yards per carry (such as 15 runs for a 2 yard gain + a 50 yard gain). That's how the running game works sometimes. The play-caller has to patient and pound the rock. Eventually, a big chunk is likely to come lose (from the metaphorical rock). Running a few times for 2-3 yard gains and then just saying "ahh fuck it, let's just pass" isn't a good situation to be in, even with an elite quarterback.

As I said, I didn't mind so much last year with the talent that was available at the running back position and against a stout defense like the 49'ers. However, I can see similar things happening this season, and that's what I don't like. Hopefully I'm wrong. I understand this team NEEDS to be a pass first team given the personnel, but more patience is need in the run game, especially at specific times.
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#49 Posted : Thursday, June 13, 2013 7:01:43 PM(UTC)
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And I get that to a degree as well. But 2-3 yards per carry followed by a 40-50 yard run can still lead to a nice average yards per carry (such as 15 runs for a 2 yard gain + a 50 yard gain). That's how the running game works sometimes. The play-caller has to patient and pound the rock. Eventually, a big chunk is likely to come lose (from the metaphorical rock). Running a few times for 2-3 yard gains and then just saying "ahh fuck it, let's just pass" isn't a good situation to be in, even with an elite quarterback.

As I said, I didn't mind so much last year with the talent that was available at the running back position and against a stout defense like the 49'ers. However, I can see similar things happening this season, and that's what I don't like. Hopefully I'm wrong. I understand this team NEEDS to be a pass first team given the personnel, but more patience is need in the run game, especially at specific times.


Big chunks are useless. You don't need big numbers. You need consistent production. Just like Passer rating vs Passing yards. Yards don't win, efficient passing does.

The 50+ yard runs don't win games. When you need 3 yards and the D knows you are going to run, you have to be able to get it.

Getting 2 yards a carry for 18 carries and with a couple 60 yard carries mixed in, you get a great average, but you were completely useless for 90% of the game. Which means you will get a lot of 3 and outs and fail to score.

If it is 3rd and 4 and you're going to get 2 yards 90% of the time, you can't depend on that running game.

Similar to what? To when we didn't have any RBs?

Or when we were top 5 in attempts and Harris put up 4.6 per?
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We need a running game and the threat of a running game. I have no real complaints about Mike McCarthy's play-calling as regards "abandoning the run" . You got the best passer in the league, a shit-box-line that cannot even keep from holding, much-less open a hole...


We need a running game to put these games away. It takes a toll on the defense when we can't run, also. A big toll.

We know Rodgers can deal with just about every situation, but wouldn't it be better if (FOR ONCE) he didn't have to?

The only reason we have "sustained" drives is because our line fucked up the first two plays and Rodgers and our receiving corps bailed us out on 3rd down, repeatedly.

That aspect is a pleasure to witness (3rd and 11, Rodgers runnin' the show, no problem.) Tough on my heart, though, the 1st two downs are drivin' me, lol


To this day I cannot discern if we have had good running backs or not. I DON'T SEE A HOLE FOR THEM TO GET THROUGH, when they don't.
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