Green Bay Packers Forum

Welcome to your Green Bay Packers Online Community!

Since 2006, PackersHome has been providing a unique experience for fans.
Your participation is greatly anticipated!
Login or Register.
7 Pages123>»
Options
Go to last post Go to first unread
Offline play2win  
#1 Posted : Friday, March 29, 2013 5:26:27 AM(UTC)
Rank: Registered

United States
Joined: 3/29/2012(UTC)
Location: Milwaukee
Applause Given: 1,076
Applause Received: 724
I'm just zipping through some stuff on Twitter, saw a comment from Osi Umenyiora saying the Falcons are the most talented team he has been on. It got me thinking about what we do to make our team better, and I wonder whether we hurt ourselves more than help ourselves with such a strong policy of staying away from Free Agents?

This is not a bash Ted Thompson thread. That is not the intent.

That is one hell of a lot of talent they have amassed there in ATL. Same with BAL, and SF. Proven talent at that. I look at how we've been mentioned as possible destinations in all the chatter and realize we were pretty much just played by most players looking for new homes to get better deals.

Are we not even a consideration to some players who could really help us?

Personally, I think a team's roster is best developed by adding great young talent via the draft, with some veterans added at key positions to help show some of the younger guys the way. A balance if you will.

Somehow, I think we've lost that balance. We've swung so far to the other side of FA where we don't add top talent, that many players available probably don't look at Green Bay as an attractive alternative destination. For instance, remember the Marshawn Lynch signing in SEA. I know Woodson really wanted GB to get him. Granted, we won the SB that year. However, we've been looking for that punishing RB element ever since, while Lynch has gone onto 1204 yds in 2011, and 1590 yds in 2012. How differently would our team have looked if we had Lynch, and used that 2011 R3 on a position other than RB Alex Green?

Would we have run the table in 2011 by adding Lynch in 2010 along with a top DL FA in 2011 or a good DL with the R3?

There is indeed a method to Thompson's approach, as both FA and draft & develop register around a 50% success rate from what I read recently (sorry, can't recall where). Maybe Thompson's method will prove best. Then again... I feel like we really missed out in capitalizing on how hot we were 2011 by failing to add a powerful pass rusher or two. I believe that could have taken us over the top. And, we were missing the very same thing in 2012, while waiting and hoping for draftees with one or two years experience, or none at all, to produce at a high level. Meanwhile, we lose out on opportunities with a potent offense and Rodgers poised to deliver.

Our recent Brad Jones signing seemed a bit frivolous to me, as his play was decent, and there is a possibility he will improve, but he signed for more than some top talents around the league at other positions of great need to the Packers. Those dollars that Thompson doesn't wish to waste on FAs, well, there is a strong possibility they have been wasted in other areas by wanting to keep his own, if some of this "potential" is not realized.

I'm curious to know your thoughts, as it seems Green Bay is losing some of it's lustre as a possible destination for top FA talent, especially being as devoid of top talent as we are at so many positions: S, DE, LB, LT, C, RB, TE. In listing those, I'm merely talking about how our depth or lack thereof may be perceived by others around the league.

So, what do you think?
Offline buckeyepackfan  
#2 Posted : Friday, March 29, 2013 5:53:58 AM(UTC)
Rank: Veteran Member

FleaFlicker Fantasy Football - Bronze: 2012Yahoo! NCAA March Madness - Bronze: 2014

Joined: 8/7/2008(UTC)
Location: Lima, Ohio
Applause Given: 793
Applause Received: 802
Ted is not going to overpay for anyone, as far as Lynch goes, would have been great to get him, from what I remember Seattle contacted Buffalo with 11(eleven) offers before Buffalo let Lynch go. I don't have a link, but remember the guys on Sunday night Football talking about it.

Ted has pretty much shown he is not going to get into a bidding war with anyone, let alone make multiple offers to a team for a player.

Injuries hurt The Packers more than anyone wants to admit last year, the only good thing to come out of it was that many of the rookies and 1st year guys got valuable playing time, some when they really weren't ready.

That is only going to make them better this year.

Always go back to Vegas for the real story, they make money for a reason. The Packers are still one of the prohibitive favorites this year, so it probably isn't as bad as many think.

JMHO
User is suspended until 4/29/2043 11:56:55 PM(UTC) texaspackerbacker  
#3 Posted : Friday, March 29, 2013 5:55:37 AM(UTC)
Rank: Veteran Member

Yahoo! NCAA March Madness - Gold: 2014Yahoo! NCAA March Madness - Silver: 2015

United States
Joined: 3/4/2013(UTC)
Location: Texas
Applause Given: 670
Applause Received: 489
I hardly think Osi Umenyora qualifies as a great judge of talent. Players getting or wanting to get a big paycheck see talent as a lot of other players getting a big paycheck.

Yeah, in hindsight Lynch might have made a difference, but he could just as well have been a high price bust, and Starks or some other Packer RB could have had a break out year.

I suspect, not having benefit of hindsight, Thompson weighs the alternatives and if there is no clear bargain in sight, he goes with the cheapest. And the record has been pretty good. I fault him more for the money he has spent than the money he has not spent - Hawks, Brad Jones, Crosby, to name a few.
Offline TheKanataThrilla  
#4 Posted : Friday, March 29, 2013 6:12:24 AM(UTC)
Rank: Veteran Member

Canada
Joined: 9/8/2008(UTC)
Applause Given: 480
Applause Received: 505
I remember when the Eagles amassed a whole bunch of talent. [grin1]
thanks Post received 1 applause.
Zero2Cool on 3/29/2013(UTC)
Offline play2win  
#5 Posted : Friday, March 29, 2013 6:36:08 AM(UTC)
Rank: Registered

United States
Joined: 3/29/2012(UTC)
Location: Milwaukee
Applause Given: 1,076
Applause Received: 724
TheKanataThrilla said: Go to Quoted Post
I remember when the Eagles amassed a whole bunch of talent. [grin1]


Yep.

Now there about three or four of those Dream Teams out there. A lot of proving for them to do. Pressure is on, big time.
Offline Zero2Cool  
#6 Posted : Friday, March 29, 2013 6:36:16 AM(UTC)
Rank: Premier Member

Yahoo! NCAA March Madness - Gold: 2015Yahoo! Fantasy Football - Gold: 2009FleaFlicker Fantasy Football - Silver: 2010Yahoo! NCAA March Madness - Silver: 2011FleaFlicker Fantasy Football - Bronze: 2016ESPN NCAA March Madness - Bronze: 2010Yahoo! NCAA March Madness - Bronze: 2013

United States
Joined: 10/13/2006(UTC)
Location: Green Bay, WI
Applause Given: 2,503
Applause Received: 4,052
in the last 50 years, how many teams that were the most "talented" won it all? I'm willing to bet less than 20%
Offline play2win  
#7 Posted : Friday, March 29, 2013 6:51:14 AM(UTC)
Rank: Registered

United States
Joined: 3/29/2012(UTC)
Location: Milwaukee
Applause Given: 1,076
Applause Received: 724
The ones that really come to mind are some of the Jimmy Johnson DAL teams, the Bill Walsh SF teams, the Chuck Knoll PIT teams, the Holmgren Packers, maybe a couple of those Patriot teams, Giants teams.

Ted Thompson landing both Woodson and Pickett in 2006 were huge for our team. None really since. I'm just wondering if this tact is turning some players away from us? With Woodson, he did wait him out till just before TC I think... and HE didn't want to come here.
Offline Zero2Cool  
#8 Posted : Friday, March 29, 2013 7:30:15 AM(UTC)
Rank: Premier Member

Yahoo! NCAA March Madness - Gold: 2015Yahoo! Fantasy Football - Gold: 2009FleaFlicker Fantasy Football - Silver: 2010Yahoo! NCAA March Madness - Silver: 2011FleaFlicker Fantasy Football - Bronze: 2016ESPN NCAA March Madness - Bronze: 2010Yahoo! NCAA March Madness - Bronze: 2013

United States
Joined: 10/13/2006(UTC)
Location: Green Bay, WI
Applause Given: 2,503
Applause Received: 4,052
play2win said: Go to Quoted Post
The ones that really come to mind are some of the Jimmy Johnson DAL teams, the Bill Walsh SF teams, the Chuck Knoll PIT teams, the Holmgren Packers, maybe a couple of those Patriot teams, Giants teams.

Ted Thompson landing both Woodson and Pickett in 2006 were huge for our team. None really since. I'm just wondering if this tact is turning some players away from us? With Woodson, he did wait him out till just before TC I think... and HE didn't want to come here.


Why don't you count players like Sam Shields or Tramon Williams?
Offline Pack93z  
#9 Posted : Friday, March 29, 2013 8:00:49 AM(UTC)
Rank: Select Member

PackersHome NFL Pick'em - Bronze: 2012

United States
Joined: 3/16/2007(UTC)
Location: North Central Wisconsin
Applause Given: 437
Applause Received: 1,237
Just thinking back to the last couple of SB champs.. and cannot think of a single high profile Veteran Unrestricted Free Agent that was signed that spearheaded them to the title.

Last season.. Boldin had been there a couple years off a trade. Birk did I believe ink a FA deal a few years prior.

Giants - Canty comes to mind.. but past that I can't think of one impact FA.

Packers.. Woodson, Pickett but that has been discussed. Walden was a UFA.


I might have to comb through the last say five years if I find the time to see if I am missing something.. but I think more of it is drafted and growing your own.. and augmenting the roster with depth that fills needs. But sitting on the front line and signing a splashy expensive UFA... can't say there have been many.

Saints might have been the last real blended team with any number of UFA.
Offline play2win  
#10 Posted : Friday, March 29, 2013 8:11:32 AM(UTC)
Rank: Registered

United States
Joined: 3/29/2012(UTC)
Location: Milwaukee
Applause Given: 1,076
Applause Received: 724
Zero2Cool said: Go to Quoted Post
Why don't you count players like Sam Shields or Tramon Williams?


I'm not following you. Shields just got slapped with a 2nd Round RFA tender. He was arrested for marijuana possession and killed his draft chances, signed as a UFA in 2010.

2006 Williams signed with Houston as an UFA, was released, then signed with GB. Those are hardly top talent FA signings at those times.

Have they worked out well? Absolutely. Thompson rolled the dice and won with both players. However, both of those guys were just happy to find a team to play with. My point is some of the FAs that are less of a risk because they are known quantities, those top players at their positions. It appears they don't want to come here. They include us in their schedules, mostly to drive their price higher, but they don't seem truly interested in coming to GB.

And, of course, Thompson doesn't give a whole lot of chase. Not a slam, it is just his way. But, is this a detriment?
Rss Feed 
Users browsing this topic
Guest
7 Pages123>»
Forum Jump
You cannot post new topics in this forum.
You cannot reply to topics in this forum.
You cannot delete your posts in this forum.
You cannot edit your posts in this forum.
You cannot create polls in this forum.
You cannot vote in polls in this forum.

Notification

Icon
Error


Fan Shout
Zero2Cool (23m) : Ty Montgomery turns 24 today. Richard Rodgers turns 25 today.
Smokey (2h) : Ice down the Beer and get the food ready. I'm going Tex/Mex today !
Nonstopdrivel (2h) : Tom Brady has appeared in more conference championships than the Packers franchise has in its entire history.
Nonstopdrivel (2h) : Packers would be the first team in NFL history to make the Super Bowl after starting 4-6 or worse.
Nonstopdrivel (2h) : 5+ straight games.
Nonstopdrivel (2h) : The NFC Championship is the first game (regular season or playoffs) since the 1970 merger featuring two teams that have scored 30+ points in
Zero2Cool (2h) : Good news! @AtlantaFalcons scored more points than anyone this regular season. Bad news? Last 6 teams to do that haven't won Super Bowl
uffda udfa (4h) : Like a night before Christmas or opening Packers weekend...hard to sleep.
uffda udfa (6h) : Staying up late enough so that when U wake up it's game time.
buckeyepackfan (7h) : Exactly! Only a matter of time! GAMEDAY! GO! PACK! GO!
beast (8h) : BOOM!!!!
buckeyepackfan (8h) : TICK, TICK, TICK ????
GoPack1984 (9h) : It's NFC Championship day! Go Pack Go!!!!
uffda udfa (12h) : The Boss picks the Falcons: [TWITTER]788447079446130688[/TWITTER]
uffda udfa (12h) : Is there a prediction thread somewhere on the forum for the Falcons game?
uffda udfa (12h) : Lookout porous Falcons secondary!
Zero2Cool (13h) : uh oh'
uffda udfa (13h) : Jordy, Davante and GMO all playing tomorrow.
uffda udfa (17h) : MM is such a creature of habit that this is going to upset his apple cart.
uffda udfa (17h) : Waited 2 hours than bused 125 miles to Milwaukee.
uffda udfa (17h) : Fog forces Packers to alter flight to Atlanta.
uffda udfa (17h) : Hoping Max McCaffery is the next Adam Thielen and right soon.
uffda udfa (18h) : Everyone knew Tate got away with OPI and even he said so.
uffda udfa (18h) : http://www.packershome.com/forum/posts/m218900-UN-Fucking-Believable#post218900
uffda udfa (18h) : Golden Tate pushed off big time in Seattle. I said it then.
Zero2Cool (18h) : Max McCaffrey Added to Roster, J.C. Tretter Subtracted
Zero2Cool (18h) : Read what I said about Hail Mary plays and referees letting players play. Got it? Good.
Zero2Cool (18h) : I absolutely would not. Don't dare presume to speak for me. WTF.
uffda udfa (18h) : Had it been other way around I would've been screaming and so would u.
uffda udfa (19h) : It's just true. I try hard to see it and tell it like it is. Was OPI.
Zero2Cool (21h) : which is of course ok, i just personally see it as weird.
Zero2Cool (22h) : Just odd that a Packers fan points out when Packers perceived to get away with something, yet ignore opponent. Weird.
Zero2Cool (22h) : Packers added RB Christine Michael (back) to the injury report as questionable
uffda udfa (22h) : Not diminishing anything. He got away with OPI. Didn't notice before. Was in airport.
Zero2Cool (21-Jan) : Bahahahahahahha GO PACK GO!!!!
Please sign in to use Fan Shout

2016 Packers Schedule
Sunday, Sep 11 @ 12:00 PM
at Jaguars
Sunday, Sep 18 @ 7:30 PM
at Vikings
Sunday, Sep 25 @ 12:00 PM
LIONS
Sunday, Oct 2 @ 12:00 AM
BYE
Sunday, Oct 9 @ 7:30 PM
GIANTS
Sunday, Oct 16 @ 3:25 PM
COWBOYS
Thursday, Oct 20 @ 7:25 PM
BEARS
Sunday, Oct 30 @ 3:25 PM
at Falcons
Sunday, Nov 6 @ 3:25 PM
COLTS
Sunday, Nov 13 @ 12:00 PM
at Titans
Sunday, Nov 20 @ 7:30 PM
at Redskins
Monday, Nov 28 @ 7:30 PM
at Eagles
Sunday, Dec 4 @ 12:00 PM
TEXANS
Sunday, Dec 11 @ 3:25 PM
SEAHAWKS
Sunday, Dec 18 @ 12:00 PM
at Bears
Saturday, Dec 24 @ 12:00 PM
VIKINGS
Sunday, Jan 1 @ 7:30 PM
at Lions

Think About It
Think About It

Recent Topics
3m / Green Bay Packers Talk / Barfarn

5m / Green Bay Packers Talk / mojaveson

13m / Green Bay Packers Talk / luigis

58m / Green Bay Packers Talk / Smokey

1h / Green Bay Packers Talk / Smokey

1h / Green Bay Packers Talk / Smokey

2h / Green Bay Packers Talk / Smokey

8h / Green Bay Packers Talk / uffda udfa

11h / Green Bay Packers Talk / The_Green_Ninja

13h / Green Bay Packers Talk / nerdmann

15h / Green Bay Packers Talk / Zero2Cool

15h / Green Bay Packers Talk / Porforis

18h / Green Bay Packers Talk / flep

18h / Green Bay Packers Talk / hardrocker950

23h / Green Bay Packers Talk / wpr


Packers Headlines