Zero2Cool
15 years ago
Lydia is my 13 year old, not biologically, but ever since I met her mom 10 years ago, she instantly grew to me as daddy. I've accepted as one of my own.

She's always been a straight A student and well behaved, minus the normal kid stuff.

The last year or so she's gotten very materialistic and boy driven. She also hit her monthly friend last October or so. She's always talking about how she's not a kid, she's a teenager.

She's an incredibly bright girl, but very naive and STUPID!

Click HERE  for an example of what I mean.

We've had a few battles with Facebook. She creates an account, I find it, hack into it, embarrass her and shut it down. This cycle just went full tilt again tonight. She went to a friends house last night for a birthday party that's where the pictures come into play. She's wearing make up and barely dressed. The problem is, those clothes I didn't buy for her, not sure where she got them from and I never buy her makeup of any kind.

She has a laptop, its very restricted and I have full monitoring of everything on it, however when she goes to friends houses she creates new email accounts, new Facebook, etc ...


My question is this ... am I over reacting about these pictures? My initial feeling is "what am i doing wrong?". I wanted to ring her neck out, but I know that is not the right answer. Is this something I should just blow off? My approach on matters with the girls has always been to discuss the issue. Why did you do it, why won't you do it again, how can we avoid this from happening, etc ... those kinds of things. Right now, I just want to go in her room and yelling and screaming and making threats! That's just not my style though.

I am getting drained. From working 48hrs a week or more, dealing with Keiana's mother bailing out on her and making excuses as to why she can't see her mom, Keiana eating twice at school spending money I don't have, Rebecca's mom complaining she can't find a job and demanding more child support and now this with Lydia. Per the Facebook I found tonight (it was created yesterday at 6pm) she's dating some 19 year old.

What do you think? How should I act on this or not at all? Talk to her? Beat her? Let her do what she wants and learn the hard way? My goal for the girls is to transfer my experience of my failures as a child to them so they can start ahead of where I was instead of making the same mistakes as me. I want them to be better than me.

What would you do?
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Formo
15 years ago
Ouch man.. Toughy.

The only thing I got is make sure she understands (the best way of communicating this to her is talking at her level) that EVERY thing she does (pics online, clothes she wears, people she hangs out with, etc) she's representing herself in one light or another.

I haven't been through this with any kids of my own, but I had younger sisters whom I very strongly give my thoughts on their choices of clothes, friends, etc.

But, it's hard to do anything if there isn't a close relationship in the first place NOTE: I don't know how close she perceives you two's relationship to be but I know that if she perceives it to be a good close relationship she's more prone to have open ears.

Good luck with whatever you do.
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Dulak
15 years ago
(Zero I hope you dont take what I say in the wrong way here) ...

I dont have kids of my own ... but when I saw those pics of your daughter my first immediate feeling was better keep a close eye on her. (ie I could see her being pregnant at a young age) ...

as far as her dating a 19 year old. IMO this should not be occuring. Again Im not trying to tell you how to raise your children but you did ask for opinions. Fuck when I grew up many parents didnt let their kids date till they were 16~ and even then it wasnt with people that were past the legal limit etc ...

If the guy is fooling around with your daughter then he is commiting rape plane and simple ie have you talked to this person yet? ... as far as I remember 18 is the legal limit ie either date people younger then that if less then 18 or older then that.

Sounds like you have your hands full with working and everything ... wish I could help more.
Wade
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15 years ago
I wish I knew what to say to relieve your worries, Kevin, but I don't.

I don't understand the female of the species. And I have no clue about what/when/how teenagers think. Put the two together and, well, I'm just completely lost.

I'm not a big fan of "just do what feels best," but -- looking from the outside -- I often wonder whether parents really don't have a whole lot of better alternatives.

Good luck.
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15 years ago
I think it's pretty clear to all of us from reading your post that you aren't doing anything wrong. It sounds like you have a good relationship with her even though you choose to be a parent more than a friend. That's all good stuff.

It sounds like what she's going through is just the normal teenage b.s. right now. There is some stuff that you just can't prevent, no matter how vigilant you are. I don't think there is a magic answer here. It's a fine line you have to walk between protecting her as much as you can and not alienating her with your rules. As long as you continue to care as much as you do, though, you will be helping her as much as you possibly can.

She has all of these influences in school and in other social settings, and it's important (and unavoidable) that she try out different things and try to fit in. As much as we look down on conformity, it's an important learning tool about yourself and society, especially for teenagers. So she has those influences outside the home... and it sounds like she has very grounding and caring influences inside the home. I think she'll be ok!

p.s. And I'm glad I had a boy.
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Zero2Cool
15 years ago
I checked into this "19" year old and he's not 19, he's 12 or 13 himself. He just moved into our area about two months ago. So, that's somewhat of a relief, I guess.

This is a pretty frustrating position because I don't want to be overly strict and force her to rebel, but in the same light, I want her to experience being a kid and enjoy the values of being a kid. At this rate, she will end up knocked up before she's 16 and I don't want her throwing her life away like that.

She's a really bright kid and I've been trying to educate her on what to look for and lout out for the best I can. Even little things, like I picked her up from the Y one night, which is at 10pm. She just came from behind the building. They were walking around it, at 10pm. Her, one girl and two boys. I told her yeah that sounds innocent enough, but you don't know the intent. One of them boys kisses you, you kiss back, he thinks thats the green light to go all the way. She said 'no my friends wouldnt do that'. I tried telling her to never presume to depend on your friends 'not' doing something. After a much longer discussion she appeared to understand and she said sorry.

One thing that's so damn frustrating is kids seem to think we tell them this stuff for shits and grins. It's hard as hell to get them to trust your words as wisdom, not "ruining your life" comments.
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Nonstopdrivel
15 years ago
Maybe because they intuitively sense (as I certainly did at that age) that a lot of the shit we tell them "for their own good" is just us trying to make up for our own retrospectively perceived failings? We look at ourselves and think, "I'm not where I'd like to be, I haven't accomplished what I wish I'd accomplish," and we embark on a program of self-examination to determine why. We look at the foolish things we did as teenagers and conclude that they are the cause of our failure to live up to our potential. It's almost certainly a massive post hoc leap of fallacy to assume that if we'd just consumed a couple of fewer adult beverages, kissed a couple of fewer girls, and gotten a few more hours of sleep, that we'd be farther along in life; but that's the most convenient explanation our heuristic minds can concoct, so that is what we settle on. And then we try to impose it on our kids. But our kids can sense the falsity and shallowness of our analysis.

And they're probably right. A sociologist once observed that the Christian Right's biggest triumph came in going secular and convincing the world of the evils and dangers of sex.

A number of research studies have shown that young people who engage in these behaviors (in particular, premarital sexual activity) are no more likely to be unsuccessful in life than abstinent teenagers, and in fact, a few have indicated that experimental teenagers may actually turn out to be better-adjusted adults overall. One longitudinal study of tens of thousands of sexual-abuse victims, released in the late 1990s, caused a media uproar with its conclusion that there is no evidence that, as a group, victims of sexual abuse show long-term negative effects -- and that in fact, on the whole, they may actually turn out to be socially better adjusted than their peers. The reaction to this study was so vehement that Congress actually passed a joint resolution condemning it, not on methodological but purely on ideological grounds, and it faded into obscurity.

Likewise, there is no evidence that becoming pregnant as a teenager condemns one to a life of poverty (again, the research indicates the opposite,that teenage parents often have slightly higher-than-average incomes), but all we ever see in the media are images of poverty-stricken "welfare mommas." Of course, what no one ever stops to think is that those women were not condemned to welfare by getting pregnant -- they made the conscious decision to live off the welfare system as their primary mode of livelihood. I know plenty of college students at my university alone who have children, and most of them have impeccable GPAs.

Last year over 30% of children in the United States were born to unwed mothers. Are you going to tell me all these women are condemned to lives of poverty? What an insulting assumption to make!

Even as far back as the early 1970s (that's when my encyclopedia was written, so I'm guessing the research was released earlier), research showed that the trauma associated with consensual childhood sexual abuse resulted not from the physical experiences themselves -- which the majority of children confessed to finding pleasurable! -- but to the fiascoes surrounding the discovery of the abuse: horrified parents, lamenting relatives, medical examinations, photographs, police interrogations, court questioning, media exposure. It was these traumatic experiences -- the misguided attempts to help -- that left the lasting scars, not the experience of being fingered by the 16-year-old boy across the street. Obviously, we're not talking about rape here.

Am I advocating teenage irresponsibility? No. But I do know my parents' frantic attempts to shield me from sex simply drove me underground and cultivated in me a morbid curiosity about and obsession with sex. I'm convinced now, looking back on it, that if I'd been allowed a little harmless outlet, instead of being forced to keep it all pent up, I'd have been a much better adjusted person when I first hit college in 1999. And the research would back me up on that.
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Nonstopdrivel
15 years ago
I forgot to add my advice: If you don't want your daughter running around behind your back, make your house a haven she can feel comfortable bringing her friends by. When I was growing up, I wasn't allowed to have ANYONE at my house -- or to go to anyone's house. My only chance for interaction with people my age was at the park . . . or sneaking around.

Demystify and deglamorize alcohol. Have a glass of wine with your daughter at dinner. Offer one bottle of nonalcoholic beer a week or month. It's not as though she'll be missing anything; studies show that if you give people nonalcoholic beer, they'll still think they're drunk. Hell, buy a pack of the nastiest cigarettes and let her experience how disgusting they are.

Above all, cultivate an atmosphere of HONESTY. Let her know that she can tell you anything, no matter how embarrassing, and you won't get angry or judge her. If your daughter feels comfortable and safe being honest with you, about anything from her crush on the cute boy in chemistry class to the agonies of menstrual cramps, she won't feel compelled to sneak around for her positive affirmation and cheap thrills.

Another thing: Get your daughter involved in sports, debate team, etc. Studies show that kids who are involved with organized activities tend delay onset of sexual activity and are less likely to use drugs.
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Zero2Cool
15 years ago

Am I advocating teenage irresponsibility? No. But I do know my parents' frantic attempts to shield me from sex simply drove me underground and cultivated in me a morbid curiosity about and obsession with sex. I'm convinced now, looking back on it, that if I'd been allowed a little harmless outlet, instead of being forced to keep it all pent up, I'd have been a much better adjusted person when I first hit college in 1999. And the research would back me up on that.



I trust HER to make decent decisions if in certain situations, however, she's not always the one to dictate the outcome, that is what makes me nervous. This situation reminded me of a relationship I had in high school. Their parents didn't want her dating anyone, she did. The harder they denied us, the harder we fought to see one another. I'm trying to avoid that with Lydia. I want her to make her own choices. My goal is to educate her as best as possible of everything I can so she has enough data to make good educated decisions.

I've discussed with her mother that I'm wanting to pull the reigns off of her. Let her do her own thing. Let her live how she wants to live. Trust our teachers and hope for the best. Her mother is against this, but I feel it's in Lydia's best interest. Let her live, make her own mistakes and learn that way. It's how I grew up and I turned out 'ok' (which to some that's debatable).
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Nonstopdrivel
15 years ago
Then there is this article . which points to studies that show the opposite of what I just said. There never seems to be unanimity on any issue.
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