ILikeThePackers39
14 years ago

Why does everyone think we're mad, just because we're sick of Mike McCarthy's teams pissing games away? That's our job as fans, to call out those responsible. The Patriots are not gods. Our QB was better than Tom Brady today. But we spotted the Patriots too many points.

"nerdmann" wrote:




It may be our right as a citizen in a country where free speech is allowed, but our job? My job is as a Project Manager. The Packers don't pay me to call anyone out, and I'm willing to bet they wouldn't listen to me if I did so.

It's your preference to call out a coach whose performance you feel to be lacking, and that's cool. But the OP's point that the staff did a good job in preparation is valid, I think - there were lapses, and to be frank I'm not shocked that the 2 minute drill went roughly, but that team was ready to play and that team competed hard.

I'll reserve my opinion on McCarthy's overall job this season until the season's over, but overall I think he earned his pay this week.
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warhawk
14 years ago

I don't know who you're ranting at, warhawk, but I've said repeatedly I don't blame McCarthy for this loss. That doesn't mean I think his feet should be exempt from the fire for that last sequence.

The run defense was stalwart. The pass defense was good, until Capers backed off. I can't even figure out why he did it. It wasn't like Belichick really tested the DBs in any significant way. They had the Patriots' offense effectively bottled up.

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The sack completely turned the tables from a 50-50 shot to win to a very slim chance. It took our last time out away and gave us very unfavorable down and distance. I can't put much flame under the coaches butt's from that point on. Bulaga missed his assignment at a critical time in the game and at a time you just can't have that happen.

A 1st and 10 sack costing you your last TO. No. No. No.
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ILikeThePackers39
14 years ago

Some people just don't get it. Anybody that didn't see Mike McCarthy outcoached his opponent yesterday is just whinning. His game planning is what even gave the team a thread of hope last night and his mentoring of Flynn didn't hurt.

Flynn was limited, yes. He doesn't have the two-minute drill down to a science and didn't get rid of the ball quick enough on the blitz. It was the kids first start for crying out loud and to sit here and say McCarthy should be fired is totally rediculous.

This coaching staff has has put this team in a position to win every single game they have played this year. Now everything hasn't gone exactly right but if you look at what has happened in these losses it comes down to PLAYER EXECUTION and NOT the GAME PLAN or the PREPARATATION.

We had four passes droppen last night, Woodson dropped a sure INT and we could have had two others, and, ST's lets a frigging OG return a KO further than any in NFL HISTORY.

Now you tell me what part of any of that had to do with how well McCarthy had this team ready to play this game? You bitch at McCarthy for the TO's at the end of the game, well, Flynn was not ABLE to handle moving the team quickly enough in that situation. He had a WEEK to get as ready as he could to start the game and there are QB's that can't run a two-minute that have been starting for a couple of years.

This was NOT the position McCarthy wanted Flynn to be in. Unfortunately he made one costly throw and ST's puked on one very ugly play and so it came down to that.

I'll throw my name in the hat stating McCarthy outcoached the coach that seldom ever happens to and unquestionably had the game plan and the team prepared and in position to win against a team that very rarely ever loses at home. Bravo McCarthy!

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Plus Ones to you and Musscy - I agree. I fully expected to see a brutal pantsing last evening, and what I saw was a team that, but for a couple key moments* would have walked out of Gillette having beat the "best team in the NFL". Would I vastly prefer that those couple key moments had gone the other way? Of course. Was I apoplectic about some fat bastard rumbling down the field for 70+ yards? Oh, hell yes.

But personally I'm pretty damn pleased they showed like they did last night - moreover, I'm more hopeful that they can possibly win out these next two weeks and still have a shot at the playoffs.





*which, to Musscy's point, is how it always works in close games. Not just to the Packers, to every single team at some point or another.
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Timmons
14 years ago
McCarthy had some highlights this game that were good to see. an actual running game (I think the Oline got their butts chewed for the Lions performance). The Onside kick to start the game. A few timely screen passes.

The dissapoint was the special teams play (overall our speical teams has never helped us and that needs to be addressed. I would do so by finding a new ST coach.)

The Woodson dropped INT was also the difference in the game. Take away those 7 points and things are different. Regardless, they played well and that was enjoyable. I expected a loss, along with everyone else, so I was pleased with Flynn's play.

The difference in the coaching overall was that the Patriots are opportunistic and the Packers are not. When Brady needs 7 points, he gest them. They return INTs for points when we dropped ours (shields dropped one too). Their lineman runs back a great kick return. Great teams seize opportunities when they occur. You only get a few each game, you've got to know that when they occur, you HAVE to take advantage of it.

Take the AJ Hawk tipped pass near the end of the game, great tip by AJ, and then he attempts to catch it too. The pats lineman recognizes this and knocks AJ out of the way. If we got that ball back in their territory, that is a game changer. No fault on AJ (yes, I'm not bagging him) the Pats lineman recognized the situation immediately and took care of it. It seems that well coached teams do that. I do not consider the Packers a well coached team. I don't blame MM for all of that. If he turns his ST and Oline into consistently performing units, then coaching isn't even a question for our team.

Overall though, the Pats are opportunistic and the Packers are not.
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BangTheDrum
14 years ago
I don't blame McCarthy for this loss, it was spectacular what he did just to have us in the game the whole way.

It's just that he ALWAYYYYYSSSSS has a few absolute boneheaded plays or decisions that often times affect the outcomes of games.

Of course all the drops and missed tackles and pressure on Flynn were a large part of the loss.

I just get sick of after every close loss being able to luck at 2 or 3 bad decisions and wish MM would figure it out, injuries and backups or not.
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ILikeThePackers39
14 years ago
Well, every team in every game has a lapse of some sort. Good corners sometimes get burned, or drop easy interceptions (Woodson, Shields). Good receivers drop passes (two or three that I counted). To me that's execution, and when we fans are frustrated we want an easier answer than "sometimes the ball bounces the wrong way". We want to be able to say it's coaching, because you can always get a new coach.

As far as "injuries or backups or not", personally I can't get on board with the concept that each team should have 2-3 guys who can reasonably be expected to step in and play at the same level. Doesn't happen. Doesn't happen with Indy, who are in deep stuff due to missing key skill players. Doesn't happen with Pittsburgh, whose awesome defense is pretty average if Polamalu isn't in the game. It's not an excuse, but it is an explanation.

Fact is, the Packers can very realistically beat the Giants and Bears @ Lambeau and thus qualify for the post-season, in a season that logically should have been lost some time ago. Hell, they very nearly beat the Pats, who've been killing great teams lately, with their backup QB (and who coached that kid up?).

This team has faced a lot of adversity and they're still in the running - that's the result, IMO, of building as much quality depth as possible (thank you, Ted), and solid coaching to get all those backups to perform at a high level (thank you, coaching staff). Personally, I intend to give them my support and the benefit of the doubt until they play their final snap of the season, whenever that occurs. And then I'll thank them for providing an exciting, entertaining season against some pretty long odds.
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warhawk
14 years ago

Well, every team in every game has a lapse of some sort. Good corners sometimes get burned, or drop easy interceptions (Woodson, Shields). Good receivers drop passes (two or three that I counted). To me that's execution, and when we fans are frustrated we want an easier answer than "sometimes the ball bounces the wrong way". We want to be able to say it's coaching, because you can always get a new coach.

As far as "injuries or backups or not", personally I can't get on board with the concept that each team should have 2-3 guys who can reasonably be expected to step in and play at the same level. Doesn't happen. Doesn't happen with Indy, who are in deep stuff due to missing key skill players. Doesn't happen with Pittsburgh, whose awesome defense is pretty average if Polamalu isn't in the game. It's not an excuse, but it is an explanation.

Fact is, the Packers can very realistically beat the Giants and Bears @ Lambeau and thus qualify for the post-season, in a season that logically should have been lost some time ago. Hell, they very nearly beat the Pats, who've been killing great teams lately, with their backup QB (and who coached that kid up?).

This team has faced a lot of adversity and they're still in the running - that's the result, IMO, of building as much quality depth as possible (thank you, Ted), and solid coaching to get all those backups to perform at a high level (thank you, coaching staff). Personally, I intend to give them my support and the benefit of the doubt until they play their final snap of the season, whenever that occurs. And then I'll thank them for providing an exciting, entertaining season against some pretty long odds.

"ILikeThePackers39" wrote:



...and I will be right next to you. To put it in persepective we had nearly 20 guys out last night which is the same number of total points we have lost these 6 games. We have 13 on INJ-RES, Jenkins, Zombo, Rodgers, are out, and Collins goes down....and we almost win. Only guys that don't like McCarthy can say "oh, well, no excuses." Your right. It's not an excuse it's just part of the whole deal and that's called reality. I hear things like "Quarless is an adequate replacement for Finley." BS. He can't carry Finley's jock to the stadium. O.K?

This is like a shirt starched at the dry cleaners. You get to the party and look great. One wrinkle no big deal. Another two or three wrinkles. No problem. Before the nights over the whole shirt is wrinkled and now your trying to figure out how the hell to to look good dispite the fact you look like you just got the crap kicked out of you.

I am learning about the guys around here I would share a fox-hole with and the ones I wouldn't. The season has done that for me for sure.
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Nonstopdrivel
14 years ago
Mike McCarthy is much aligned for his record in games decided by one possession or less. I'd be curious to compare his records to the rest of the coaches in the league. Maybe the record isn't so unusual after all.
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Zero2Cool
14 years ago
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go.pack.go.
14 years ago

I blame the o-line they give up a sack,Mike McCarthy has to come up with something,and time is ticking but o-line was awful in that play .

"gbpfan" wrote:



The OLine actually played very well last night. And that last play was a mistake by Bulaga. He will get better (smarter(, he's still in his first year.

You can't blame one single play by the OLine for the whole game.
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