nerdmann
13 years ago
My dad broke his back. He came back from it for far less that $4.775. And that was more than just a disc with a little stress on it.
“Winning is not a sometime thing, it is an all the time thing. You don't do things right once in a while…you do them right all the time.”
wpr
  • wpr
  • Preferred Member
13 years ago

My dad broke his back. He came back from it for far less that $4.775. And that was more than just a disc with a little stress on it.

Originally Posted by: nerdmann 



My Dad broke his back too. He was never right after that. You are greatly minimizing Nick's injury when you proclaim it was just a little stress. A little stress is what happens when you successfully lift weights. He has severe trauma that required surgery.

I hit the windshield in a car accident when I was 18. I knew something was wrong but didn't do anything about it until I was 38. My hands were going numb all the time. Now I have damage at the C3/4/5 area of my neck and L3/4. I have pain all the time. It affects what I do every single day.

Nick is young. He has no idea how his injury will effect him when is an older man.
UserPostedImage
nerdmann
13 years ago

My Dad broke his back too. He was never right after that. You are greatly minimizing Nick's injury when you proclaim it was just a little stress. A little stress is what happens when you successfully lift weights. He has severe trauma that required surgery.

I hit the windshield in a car accident when I was 18. I knew something was wrong but didn't do anything about it until I was 38. My hands were going numb all the time. Now I have damage at the C3/4/5 area of my neck and L3/4. I have pain all the time. It affects what I do every single day.

Nick is young. He has no idea how his injury will effect him when is an older man.

Originally Posted by: wpr 



The surgery was elective. According to the doctors, it was only necessary if he wanted to continue playing. Personally, I think that's BS. Nick should've just come to see me. You should too.
“Winning is not a sometime thing, it is an all the time thing. You don't do things right once in a while…you do them right all the time.”
wpr
  • wpr
  • Preferred Member
13 years ago

The surgery was elective. According to the doctors, it was only necessary if he wanted to continue playing. Personally, I think that's BS. Nick should've just come to see me. You should too.

Originally Posted by: nerdmann 



doubtful and dubious doctor since no two back/spinal injuries are the same. there is no reason whatsoever to try and justify your position by comparing them. apparently you fail to rasp this concept.
UserPostedImage
dhazer
13 years ago
Just a food for thought on Collins. I personally think there is more than the "we worry about his health" that MM and Ted Thompson are using. They are business men and I personally think this has something to do with money. I have no proof but something just don't seem right here, He is cleared by doctors but MM and Ted Thompson say they don't want him to play because they are worried about him.
Just Imagine this for the next 6-9 years. What a ride it will be 🙂 (PS, Zero should charge for this)
UserPostedImage
Zero2Cool
13 years ago

Just a food for thought on Collins. I personally think there is more than the "we worry about his health" that Mike McCarthy and Ted Thompson are using. They are business men and I personally think this has something to do with money. I have no proof but something just don't seem right here, He is cleared by doctors but Mike McCarthy and Ted Thompson say they don't want him to play because they are worried about him.

Originally Posted by: dhazer 



I don't think anyone can reasonably question the truthfulness of Ted Thompson an Mike McCarthy's concern for Nick Collins health. With that said, there's no question they do not want Nick Collins hurt at all, especially wearing a Packers uniform. The Packers already had one nasty Public Relations nightmare in '08 ... they surely don't want another.

The money comment, makes no sense at all when you wrap thinking around what it'll cost the team to replace what Nick Collins brings.
UserPostedImage
play2win
13 years ago
Sounds like this could get a little clusterfucky for our salary cap, depending on if he retires or wishes to continue playing elsewhere. As much as I would love to see him back playing for the Packers, I can see management's side of the story, not wishing to see anything close to this happening again. If Ted an Mike want him to retire, that could be a difficult task to convince Nick not to play elsewhere, forcing his release from the team.

Is there anything concrete on how retirement v. his release would affect our cap? Seems pretty convoluted from what I understand.
play2win
13 years ago

I don't think anyone can reasonably question the truthfulness of Ted Thompson an Mike McCarthy's concern for Nick Collins health. With that said, there's no question they do not want Nick Collins hurt at all, especially wearing a Packers uniform. The Packers already had one nasty Public Relations nightmare in '08 ... they surely don't want another.

The money comment, makes no sense at all when you wrap thinking around what it'll cost the team to replace what Nick Collins brings.

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 



Super interesting set of circumstances at play here. I do trust their concern for his health is genuine, without question. Have they already allocated his cap dollars - in their heads - to the retention of other players? Entirely possible. TJ Lang comes to mind - a guy who probably will be hard pressed to stay on after this season with Rodgers, Matthews, Raji and Jennings also being up for renewals afterwards.

Tough calls to be made, and Collins' wish to continue playing could greatly affect our ability to retain some of these guys. I believe if he were to retire, we would realize more cap relief. I am no cap guy though.

Not saying money is their issue. It sounds like they probably don't want Collins to play again, and to continue on to lead a healthy life with his family, and the Packers family, from here on out. As stewards of this team, however, they have to be concerned with how his choice affects our cap.
dhazer
13 years ago
Everyone saying Ted Thompson and MM are concerned about his health are blind. Cmon folks its all about the money face it and someone brought up the PR disaster a few years ago being bad. Well get ready because Collins will be another PR hit. Look at it in black and white and to the point, MM and Ted Thompson are doing everything they can to keep Collins from coming back. The man had the surgery so he could come back to play football, he is cleared by the doctors but yet the cold hearted Ted Thompson all of a sudden becomes huge hearted and worried about a players health. Get ready to see Collins in blue and silver or playing down in Chicago. As Arrigo said they packers are looking to extend some players this year but we are close to the cap right now. The part I am wondering like play2win brought up, is how strapped are we on the cap room?

As of March 30th the Packers have $3.4 million in cap space. Ok just wanted to throw that out there

edit: ok a little tidbit on found on rotorworld while i was looking for Collins contract details.

Packers FS Nick Collins (neck surgery), "bouncing off the walls" in anticipation of returning to the NFL, is expected to push coach Mike McCarthy and GM Ted Thompson to play if he's given the green light from doctors later this month.
McCarthy has made it clear that all parties involved must be in agreement for Collins to return to the Packers. According to the Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel, not a single cervical fusion has failed among all NFL players to undergo the procedure. After a 20-year study of NFL players, assistant professor of spine surgery at Northwestern University Wellington Hsu downplays the risks and insists Collins can play "at a high level" again. This is most positive outlook we've seen on Collins' football future. Apr 11 - 9:01 AM


So now tell me that its MM and Ted Thompson worried about his health
Just Imagine this for the next 6-9 years. What a ride it will be 🙂 (PS, Zero should charge for this)
UserPostedImage
dhazer
13 years ago
Collins contract details and cap hit:

2012 cap hit 3.450,000
2013 cap hit 4,350,000
2014 UFA
Just Imagine this for the next 6-9 years. What a ride it will be 🙂 (PS, Zero should charge for this)
UserPostedImage
Users browsing this topic
    Fan Shout
    Zero2Cool (1h) : I'm not sure how to kill the draft order just yet so it's not so confusing.
    Mucky Tundra (11h) : *to be able
    Mucky Tundra (11h) : and because it's not a dynasty league (which makes a lot more sense to be ability to trade picks)
    Mucky Tundra (11h) : Oh I know; I was just exploring and it blew my mind that you could trade picks because of the whole reordering thing
    Mucky Tundra (11h) : Zero, I think I preferred my offer: your 1st for my 15th rounder
    Zero2Cool (12h) : Keep in mind, we do a draft reorder once all members locked in
    Zero2Cool (12h) : You can have my 12th Rd for your 2nd round
    Mucky Tundra (13h) : Hey i didn't know we could trade picks in fantasy
    Mucky Tundra (3-Aug) : Update: Rock has tried a cheese curd, promises it's not his last
    Zero2Cool (3-Aug) : watch it!! lol
    Mucky Tundra (3-Aug) : you're right, we never did leave, the site just went down :P
    Mucky Tundra (3-Aug) : Rock claims to have never eaten a cheese curd
    Zero2Cool (3-Aug) : We did not leave.
    Mucky Tundra (3-Aug) : Family Night! WE ARE SO BACK!
    Mucky Tundra (2-Aug) : To this day, I'm still miffed about his 4 TD game against Dallas on Thanksgiving going to waste
    Martha Careful (2-Aug) : Congratulations Sterling Sharpe. He was terrific and I loved watching him play.
    beast (2-Aug) : I believe it's technically against the CBA rules, but Jerry just calls it a simple unofficial chat... and somehow gets away with it.
    beast (2-Aug) : Jerry Jones is infamous for ̶n̶e̶g̶o̶t̶i̶a̶t̶i̶n̶g̶ chatting with players one on one... and going around the agent.
    Mucky Tundra (1-Aug) : Oo just saw a blurb saying that Dallas negotiated directly with Parsons and not through his agent
    Mucky Tundra (1-Aug) : I assumed that both guys will get paid, just a matter of when or how we get there
    Zero2Cool (1-Aug) : McLaurin nor Micah going anywhere. They will get money
    Mucky Tundra (1-Aug) : the Synder years or do they take care of one of their own?
    Mucky Tundra (1-Aug) : Do the Commanders risk losing a top WR with an emerging QB just because he's turning 30 and potentially risk damaging the rebuild from
    Mucky Tundra (1-Aug) : Turns 30 this September, plays at a high level and Washington has some cap space I believe
    Mucky Tundra (1-Aug) : More interesting is Washington with Terry McLaurin
    Mucky Tundra (1-Aug) : I would imagine Dallas will resolve this issue with a truckload of money
    Zero2Cool (1-Aug) : Micah pulling a Myles with trade request
    beast (1-Aug) : Packers should make some cheese forks
    Mucky Tundra (31-Jul) : GRAB THE PITCHFORKS~
    Zero2Cool (31-Jul) : CUT HIM
    Mucky Tundra (31-Jul) : Socieltal collapse imminent
    Mucky Tundra (31-Jul) : The West has fallen
    Mucky Tundra (31-Jul) : After starting off camp with 25 straight made field goals, Brandon McManus has missed one
    Zero2Cool (31-Jul) : But it should be stable
    Zero2Cool (31-Jul) : It's probably gonna be slower.
    Zero2Cool (31-Jul) : We're gonna just full go on to the new host.
    Zero2Cool (31-Jul) : What crap. Site issues galore
    Zero2Cool (30-Jul) : if PH dies, there is packerpeople com available
    Zero2Cool (30-Jul) : database is on new host, eventually website will follow
    Mucky Tundra (30-Jul) : Zero, regarding Ewers, you are correct.
    Zero2Cool (30-Jul) : Sadly, this might be our life for awhile. I could put it on another host, but seems it was slower, although more stable
    beast (30-Jul) : How long will it be down?
    beast (30-Jul) : RIP site 😭
    Zero2Cool (30-Jul) : Site will die, I have to restart it.
    Zero2Cool (30-Jul) : Quinn stinks. Lot of underthrows. (my guess)
    beast (30-Jul) : How did Quinn Ewers effect where Golden was drafted?
    dfosterf (30-Jul) : All I've experienced was late at night or early morning. I just figured you were doing something in the background
    Zero2Cool (30-Jul) : Site sure seems to be down more than up
    dfosterf (29-Jul) : 50 cent hookers? I'm moving to Green Bay. I thought it was just real estate that was more affordable there. 😂
    Zero2Cool (29-Jul) : Sure seems site going down more than 50¢ hooker
    Please sign in to use Fan Shout
    2025 Packers Schedule
    Sunday, Sep 7 @ 3:25 PM
    LIONS
    Thursday, Sep 11 @ 7:15 PM
    COMMANDERS
    Sunday, Sep 21 @ 12:00 PM
    Browns
    Sunday, Sep 28 @ 7:20 PM
    Cowboys
    Sunday, Oct 12 @ 3:25 PM
    BENGALS
    Sunday, Oct 19 @ 3:25 PM
    Cardinals
    Sunday, Oct 26 @ 7:20 PM
    Steelers
    Sunday, Nov 2 @ 12:00 PM
    PANTHERS
    Monday, Nov 10 @ 7:15 PM
    EAGLES
    Sunday, Nov 16 @ 12:00 PM
    Giants
    Sunday, Nov 23 @ 12:00 PM
    VIKINGS
    Thursday, Nov 27 @ 12:00 PM
    Lions
    Sunday, Dec 7 @ 12:00 PM
    BEARS
    Sunday, Dec 14 @ 3:25 PM
    Broncos
    Friday, Dec 19 @ 11:00 PM
    Bears
    Friday, Dec 26 @ 11:00 PM
    RAVENS
    Saturday, Jan 3 @ 11:00 PM
    Vikings
    Recent Topics
    11h / Fantasy Sports Talk / dhazer

    20h / Green Bay Packers Talk / Mucky Tundra

    22h / Green Bay Packers Talk / beast

    3-Aug / Feedback, Suggestions and Issues / Zero2Cool

    2-Aug / Green Bay Packers Talk / Mucky Tundra

    2-Aug / Green Bay Packers Talk / wpr

    31-Jul / Green Bay Packers Talk / wpr

    28-Jul / Random Babble / Zero2Cool

    28-Jul / Green Bay Packers Talk / Mucky Tundra

    28-Jul / Green Bay Packers Talk / Mucky Tundra

    27-Jul / Green Bay Packers Talk / Mucky Tundra

    27-Jul / Green Bay Packers Talk / beast

    25-Jul / Around The NFL / Mucky Tundra

    25-Jul / Green Bay Packers Talk / Mucky Tundra

    25-Jul / Green Bay Packers Talk / TheKanataThrilla

    Headlines
    Copyright © 2006 - 2025 PackersHome.com™. All Rights Reserved.