nerdmann
12 years ago

Kind of how the bye-week made such a difference the year before against the Giants? I don't see any way in which the Packers would have beaten the 49'ers last year. They were simply the better team, whether the Packers had another week of rest or not.

Regardless, I, and most others, would love to see more production out of the run game. Mike McCarthy gets away from it during critical moments at times, but I can sort of understand given the talent the the position he has been working with and Aaron Rodgers as QB. Now that he will hopefully have a decent backfield, I look forward to and expect him to be a more discipline play-caller.

Originally Posted by: doddpower 



We lost to them in Week 1, because we started Jarrett Bush at CB.

Plus we abandoned the run. Late in the year DuJuan was on a roll too.

I do not fear the Niners. I do believe they are for real. But so are we, at least talent level wise.
“Winning is not a sometime thing, it is an all the time thing. You don't do things right once in a while…you do them right all the time.”
macbob
12 years ago

The assertion that they don't like to run the ball is a myth.

The only thing they needed to have a better running game was any healthy backs. Which they didn't really have.

Originally Posted by: Dexter_Sinister 




Seattle is also a fairly accomplished running D.

Originally Posted by: Dexter_Sinister 



Oh, please. 1st half of the Seattle game we ran 30 offensive plays, 27 of them were passes. 1 running play in the first quarter (no gain), 2 running plays in the 2nd quarter (24 yds).

Our explosive, quick strike offense was shut out in the first half as we were losing 7-0 at half time.

McCarthy abandoned the run going into that game, not because we weren't having success running the ball but because it was his game plan. Fortunately, he adjusted at half time and in the second half, we ran the ball 18 times and outscored Seattle 12-0 (I refuse to count that last score). Not that we won because of the running per se, but because running the ball kept the Seattle DL from being able to pin their ears back and just go after AR, which made our passing game more effective.

He did the same thing in the second half of the SF playoff game last year. We ran 4 times in the second half (on the first two series), never ran it again the entire rest of the game. And it's not like we were well down and needed to just pass-pass-pass to catch up--SF had just scored to take the lead when we abandoned the run. What made it more frustrating was we had run the ball effectively in the first & second half, including DuJuan Harris' 18 yard TD run in the first half.

We could run the ball, we just decided to abandon the run. That's not a myth.

nerdmann
12 years ago

Oh, please. 1st half of the Seattle game we ran 30 offensive plays, 27 of them were passes. 1 running play in the first quarter (no gain), 2 running plays in the 2nd quarter (24 yds).

Our explosive, quick strike offense was shut out in the first half as we were losing 7-0 at half time.

McCarthy abandoned the run going into that game, not because we weren't having success running the ball but because it was his game plan. Fortunately, he adjusted at half time and in the second half, we ran the ball 18 times and outscored Seattle 12-0 (I refuse to count that last score). Not that we won because of the running per se, but because running the ball kept the Seattle DL from being able to pin their ears back and just go after AR, which made our passing game more effective.

He did the same thing in the second half of the SF playoff game last year. We ran 4 times in the second half (on the first two series), never ran it again the entire rest of the game. And it's not like we were well down and needed to just pass-pass-pass to catch up--SF had just scored to take the lead when we abandoned the run. What made it more frustrating was we had run the ball effectively in the first & second half, including DuJuan Harris' 18 yard TD run in the first half.

We could run the ball, we just decided to abandon the run. That's not a myth.

Originally Posted by: macbob 



But in fairness, they racked up some pretty decent stats.
“Winning is not a sometime thing, it is an all the time thing. You don't do things right once in a while…you do them right all the time.”
Dexter_Sinister
12 years ago

Oh, please. 1st half of the Seattle game we ran 30 offensive plays, 27 of them were passes. 1 running play in the first quarter (no gain), 2 running plays in the 2nd quarter (24 yds).

Our explosive, quick strike offense was shut out in the first half as we were losing 7-0 at half time.

McCarthy abandoned the run going into that game, not because we weren't having success running the ball but because it was his game plan. Fortunately, he adjusted at half time and in the second half, we ran the ball 18 times and outscored Seattle 12-0 (I refuse to count that last score). Not that we won because of the running per se, but because running the ball kept the Seattle DL from being able to pin their ears back and just go after AR, which made our passing game more effective.

He did the same thing in the second half of the SF playoff game last year. We ran 4 times in the second half (on the first two series), never ran it again the entire rest of the game. And it's not like we were well down and needed to just pass-pass-pass to catch up--SF had just scored to take the lead when we abandoned the run. What made it more frustrating was we had run the ball effectively in the first & second half, including DuJuan Harris' 18 yard TD run in the first half.

We could run the ball, we just decided to abandon the run. That's not a myth.

Originally Posted by: macbob 



Who abandoned the run? Who decided to not run the ball?
I want to go out like my Grandpa did. Peacefully in his sleep.
Not screaming in terror like his passengers.
play2win
12 years ago

Who abandoned the run? Who decided to not run the ball?

Originally Posted by: Dexter_Sinister 



Ultimately, I would say that is on McCarthy. He runs everything on that O. It all goes through him. And if it is not what he wants, it is his charge to change it.

I know you are asking if it might be Rodgers checking to pass in run/pass option plays. McCarthy must have a handle on that stuff.
DoddPower
12 years ago

We lost to them in Week 1, because we started Jarrett Bush at CB.

Plus we abandoned the run. Late in the year DuJuan was on a roll too.

I do not fear the Niners. I do believe they are for real. But so are we, at least talent level wise.

Originally Posted by: nerdmann 



Oh I think the Packers can beat the 49'ers, especially when somewhat healthy. But not in the playoffs last year. At that point, they were the better team in most every way. Fortunately for the Packers, every season is a new story.

macbob
12 years ago

Who abandoned the run? Who decided to not run the ball?

Originally Posted by: Dexter_Sinister 



McCarthy in the first half of the Seattle game. He scripts the first 15 or so plays. That's 100% on him.

And my bet is primarily McCarthy in the SF game, too, though AR undoubtedly audibled out of some runs, too. The formations we came out in were almost exclusively shotgun (both 1st half of Seattle game and 2nd half of SF game). The 4 runs in the second half of the SF game were all draws out of the shotgun.

Dexter_Sinister
12 years ago

McCarthy in the first half of the Seattle game. He scripts the first 15 or so plays. That's 100% on him.

And my bet is primarily McCarthy in the SF game, too, though Aaron Rodgers undoubtedly audibled out of some runs, too. The formations we came out in were almost exclusively shotgun (both 1st half of Seattle game and 2nd half of SF game). The 4 runs in the second half of the SF game were all draws out of the shotgun.

Originally Posted by: macbob 



Do you know what the play calls actually were?

The majority of McCartheys plays are RUN/PASS options. The plays direction is in Rodgers hands a great deal.

He makes the read and decides to run or throw based on how he feels he can best exploit the D.

Our first drive against the 49ers we had 3 runs for 6 yards. The next 3 rushes produced 6 more.

Do you really think we could have beat them sticking with that running game?

I want to go out like my Grandpa did. Peacefully in his sleep.
Not screaming in terror like his passengers.
Dexter_Sinister
12 years ago

Ultimately, I would say that is on McCarthy. He runs everything on that O. It all goes through him. And if it is not what he wants, it is his charge to change it.

I know you are asking if it might be Rodgers checking to pass in run/pass option plays. McCarthy must have a handle on that stuff.

Originally Posted by: play2win 



McCarthey leaves that to the QB.

Specially Rodgers.

In post game PCs, McCarthey has said that he would have preferred to have run more, but he left it in Rodgers hands. That was a couple years ago.

I doubt he has suddenly started trusting Rodgers less and micro managing him more.


I want to go out like my Grandpa did. Peacefully in his sleep.
Not screaming in terror like his passengers.
play2win
12 years ago
This is all such horse hockey. Just run the damn ball...

Finally, we have the RBs to take our running game to levels we may not have seen in GB since Taylor & Hornung. If your QB is checking out to much in order to pass, and getting himself in trouble, the HC can pull him aside, or get in his ear and adjust accordingly. As a matter of fact, McCarthy has an obligation as HC to do so. Ball control will keep Kaepernick off the filed. It is that simple. Fundamental football.
Fan Shout
Zero2Cool (5h) : If healthy after, then thats all I care. Well, no drops would be nice
wpr (6h) : I made it through the 1st Q.
dfosterf (14h) : Just gotta figure out how.
dfosterf (14h) : Could have been a worse start, so there is that.
beast (15h) : Yeah, someone tell the Packers football season has started, seems like they weren't ready for it
Mucky Tundra (15h) : Sooooooo many penalties
Mucky Tundra (15h) : It may only be preseason, but this game is a trip to the dentist
Zero2Cool (16h) : Packers do bad -- FREAK OUT!!!!!!
Zero2Cool (16h) : Packers do good -- eh only preseason
dfosterf (16h) : Well that half was fun
Zero2Cool (17h) : Great, zayne is down
Zero2Cool (18h) : 13 minutes away from kickkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkoffff
Zero2Cool (20h) : Had Celebration of Life for my uncle up north. wicked rain hope it dont come south
Mucky Tundra (22h) : THE GREEN BAY PACKERS ARE PLAYING FOOTBALL TONIGHT!!!!!! THIS IS NOT A DRILL!!!!
Zero2Cool (23h) : Woo-hoo
TheKanataThrilla (23h) : NFL Network is broadcasting the game tonight, but not in Canada. Not sure why as no local television is showing the game.
beast (8-Aug) : But the Return from IR designations had to be applied by the 53 man cutdown.
beast (8-Aug) : It's a new rule, so it's not clear, but my understanding was that they could be IR'd at any time
Mucky Tundra (8-Aug) : *had to be IRed at 53
Mucky Tundra (8-Aug) : beast, I thought the designate return from IR players had to be IR at cutdowns to 53, not before
beast (8-Aug) : It's a brand new rule, either last season or this season, prior, all pre-season IRs were done for the season
beast (8-Aug) : But the Packers would have to use one for their return from IR spots on him, when they cut down to 53.
beast (8-Aug) : I think the NFL recently changed the IR rules, so maybe the season might not be over for OL Glover.
Zero2Cool (8-Aug) : Packers star Howton, first NFLPA prez, dies at 95 😔
dfosterf (8-Aug) : Apparently it is too complicated for several to follow your simple instructions, but I digress
dfosterf (8-Aug) : Zero- Did you see what I posted about Voice of Reason and his wife? She posted over at fleaflicker that they are both "In"
Zero2Cool (7-Aug) : Well, not crazy, it makes sense. Crazy I didn't notice/find it earlier
Zero2Cool (7-Aug) : it's crazy how one stored procedure to get data bogged everything down for speed here
dfosterf (7-Aug) : to herd cats or goldfish without a bowl. They reminded me of the annual assembly of our fantasy league
dfosterf (7-Aug) : out on a field trip, outfitting them with little yellow smocks. Most of the little folk were well behaved, but several were like trying
dfosterf (7-Aug) : Yesterday my wife and I spent the afternoon on the waterfront here in Alexandria, Va. A daycare company took about 15 three/four year olds
wpr (7-Aug) : seems faster. yay
dfosterf (7-Aug) : Wife of reason posted on the in/out thread on fleaflicker that both she and vor are in
Zero2Cool (7-Aug) : This page was generated in 0.135 seconds.
Mucky Tundra (7-Aug) : Tbh, I can never tell the difference in speed unless it's completely shitting the bed
Zero2Cool (7-Aug) : Sure does feel like site is more snappy
Zero2Cool (6-Aug) : I thought that was the Lions OL
Mucky Tundra (6-Aug) : Travis Glover placed on IR; seasons over for him
Zero2Cool (6-Aug) : found bad sql in database, maybe site faster now?
dfosterf (5-Aug) : I'm going to call that a good move.
Zero2Cool (4-Aug) : Packers sign CB Corey Ballentine
Zero2Cool (4-Aug) : I'm not sure how to kill the draft order just yet so it's not so confusing.
Mucky Tundra (4-Aug) : *to be able
Mucky Tundra (4-Aug) : and because it's not a dynasty league (which makes a lot more sense to be ability to trade picks)
Mucky Tundra (4-Aug) : Oh I know; I was just exploring and it blew my mind that you could trade picks because of the whole reordering thing
Mucky Tundra (4-Aug) : Zero, I think I preferred my offer: your 1st for my 15th rounder
Zero2Cool (4-Aug) : Keep in mind, we do a draft reorder once all members locked in
Zero2Cool (4-Aug) : You can have my 12th Rd for your 2nd round
Mucky Tundra (4-Aug) : Hey i didn't know we could trade picks in fantasy
Mucky Tundra (3-Aug) : Update: Rock has tried a cheese curd, promises it's not his last
Please sign in to use Fan Shout
2025 Packers Schedule
Sunday, Sep 7 @ 3:25 PM
LIONS
Thursday, Sep 11 @ 7:15 PM
COMMANDERS
Sunday, Sep 21 @ 12:00 PM
Browns
Sunday, Sep 28 @ 7:20 PM
Cowboys
Sunday, Oct 12 @ 3:25 PM
BENGALS
Sunday, Oct 19 @ 3:25 PM
Cardinals
Sunday, Oct 26 @ 7:20 PM
Steelers
Sunday, Nov 2 @ 12:00 PM
PANTHERS
Monday, Nov 10 @ 7:15 PM
EAGLES
Sunday, Nov 16 @ 12:00 PM
Giants
Sunday, Nov 23 @ 12:00 PM
VIKINGS
Thursday, Nov 27 @ 12:00 PM
Lions
Sunday, Dec 7 @ 12:00 PM
BEARS
Sunday, Dec 14 @ 3:25 PM
Broncos
Friday, Dec 19 @ 11:00 PM
Bears
Friday, Dec 26 @ 11:00 PM
RAVENS
Saturday, Jan 3 @ 11:00 PM
Vikings
Recent Topics
48m / Green Bay Packers Talk / buckeyepackfan

6h / Green Bay Packers Talk / dfosterf

10h / Around The NFL / Mucky Tundra

17h / Green Bay Packers Talk / beast

8-Aug / Around The NFL / Zero2Cool

8-Aug / Fantasy Sports Talk / packerfanoutwest

8-Aug / Green Bay Packers Talk / beast

7-Aug / Green Bay Packers Talk / beast

5-Aug / Green Bay Packers Talk / beast

4-Aug / Green Bay Packers Talk / bboystyle

3-Aug / Green Bay Packers Talk / Mucky Tundra

3-Aug / Green Bay Packers Talk / beast

3-Aug / Feedback, Suggestions and Issues / Zero2Cool

2-Aug / Green Bay Packers Talk / Mucky Tundra

2-Aug / Green Bay Packers Talk / wpr

Headlines
Copyright © 2006 - 2025 PackersHome.com™. All Rights Reserved.