DarkaneRules
11 years ago
I hope no one is suggesting firing Capers in season. Let the season play out and have faith the entire personnel and coaching staff will be evaluated by Mark and Ted.

I see a 3-4 defense right now decimated with injury at its most crucial position: Outside Linebacker. We have one healthy OLB who was just drafted and is very raw, Nate Palmer. The best players we have to set the edge: one has a club on his hand and the other has a defective foot.

On the back-end, I see players in position more often than not, they are just not making the plays. Right now we do not have a difference maker at CB or Safety. Morgan seems to be regressing to as well. This was a shock to me and completely unacceptable. We were counting on him to continue improving.

We need to get pressure up front. We cannot get that without at least one effective OLB. This is on the players. We cannot change the scheme just because a position has been decimated with injury. It is playmaking there that is the problem not the scheme.

Same goes with the backend. We need these guys to make plays. They will make more if we get more pressure. We need to upgrade the safety position, Morgan needs to play better, and at least one CB needs to step up and make up for the average play of the other guys.
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nerdmann
11 years ago

I hope no one is suggesting firing Capers in season. Let the season play out and have faith the entire personnel and coaching staff will be evaluated by Mark and Ted.

I see a 3-4 defense right now decimated with injury at its most crucial position: Outside Linebacker. We have one healthy OLB who was just drafted and is very raw, Nate Palmer. The best players we have to set the edge: one has a club on his hand and the other has a defective foot.

On the back-end, I see players in position more often than not, they are just not making the plays. Right now we do not have a difference maker at CB or Safety. Morgan seems to be regressing to as well. This was a shock to me and completely unacceptable. We were counting on him to continue improving.

We need to get pressure up front. We cannot get that without at least one effective OLB. This is on the players. We cannot change the scheme just because a position has been decimated with injury. It is playmaking there that is the problem not the scheme.

Same goes with the backend. We need these guys to make plays. They will make more if we get more pressure. We need to upgrade the safety position, Morgan needs to play better, and at least one CB needs to step up and make up for the average play of the other guys.

Originally Posted by: DarkaneRules 



I see a 3-4 that has never had a dominant OLB on the other side of Clay, in all these years.

And as for the back end, they leave guys uncovered.

Capers was on the hot seat to start the season. His D was looking very good, but now it's begun to shit itself again, badly. Time to make a case for tenure, or we go get Lovey Smith. Jim Bates will be the backup plan. lol
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DoddPower
11 years ago

I see a 3-4 that has never had a dominant OLB on the other side of Clay, in all these years.

And as for the back end, they leave guys uncovered.

Capers was on the hot seat to start the season. His D was looking very good, but now it's begun to sh!t itself again, badly. Time to make a case for tenure, or we go get Lovey Smith. Jim Bates will be the backup plan. lol

Originally Posted by: nerdmann 



Yeah, to me, it's not just about this season or the excuses that one could find for Capers. There's more than enough evidence to show that he's nothing more than an average defensive coordinator, and very often absolutely horrible, especially when it matters most against top tier teams. I don't see how that can be good enough, but perhaps I would be a more hard-ass boss than Ted Thompson and/or Mike McCarthy.
nerdmann
11 years ago

Yeah, to me, it's not just about this season or the excuses that one could find for Capers. There's more than enough evidence to show that he's nothing more than an average defensive coordinator, and very often absolutely horrible, especially when it matters most against top tier teams. I don't see how that can be good enough, but perhaps I would be a more hard-ass boss than Ted Thompson and/or Mike McCarthy.

Originally Posted by: DoddPower 



Dom can at least do it with smoke and mirrors when he needs to. That's something that Bob Sanders could never do.

But his unit has shit itself in grand fashion the past two weeks, when we needed them most. And it isn't the first time they have done so. His guys continuously let WRs run uncovered.
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Mucky Tundra
11 years ago
To echo some the people who agree Capers needs to go, it's not so much as a recent thing as things that continually happen. I feel that there's enough talent on D (save for the black hole at S since Collins was lost) but for whatever reason isn't properly used/not motivated properly/whatever. Regardless of whoever is charge of the D next year I wouldn't mind having Greene as Assistant DC or something so that way when someone half asses it or misses a tackle they can hear an ear full when they get back to the sideline. Not only that, but a "kick-ass" DC/assistant DC would play off McCarthy's more mellow demeanor.
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DoddPower
11 years ago

Dom can at least do it with smoke and mirrors when he needs to. That's something that Bob Sanders could never do.

But his unit has sh!t itself in grand fashion the past two weeks, when we needed them most. And it isn't the first time they have done so. His guys continuously let WRs run uncovered.

Originally Posted by: nerdmann 



Yeah, he's better than Bob Sanders, but that certainly isn't saying much, and doesn't comfort me at all.
nerdmann
11 years ago
I was thinking maybe he just got exposed trying to do it with smoke and mirrors in the absence of Clay.

But that has nothing to do with the safeties playing Keystone Kops. I mean the unit is a blooper reel, week after week, providing the margin of defeat.
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steveishere
11 years ago
What looks really bad for Capers is how destroyed the defense got week 1 against a QB that's shown throughout the rest of the season that he struggles mightily if he has to make more than 1 read. Absolutely shredded by a passing offense that has been more or less shut down in every single other team all while the D was mostly healthy. It wasn't just guys getting beat either it was just wide open holes in the D. That game he was completely and absolutely out coached. As has been the case IMO more often than not.

Stuff like that added to 3 absolute embarrassments (all-time bad type) in playoff games just keeps me from buying all of the excuses for the guy. At some point the responsibility is on Dom.
DoddPower
11 years ago

What looks really bad for Capers is how destroyed the defense got week 1 against a QB that's shown throughout the rest of the season that he struggles mightily if he has to make more than 1 read. Absolutely shredded by a passing offense that has been more or less shut down in every single other team all while the D was mostly healthy. It wasn't just guys getting beat either it was just wide open holes in the D. That game he was completely and absolutely out coached. As has been the case IMO more often than not.

Stuff like that added to 3 absolute embarrassments (all-time bad type) in playoff games just keeps me from buying all of the excuses for the guy. At some point the responsibility is on Dom.

Originally Posted by: steveishere 



Yeah, it's one thing to get beat or out-coached. But to allow ALL TIME embarrassments is pathetic, especially in the playoffs. That sounds like an average at best defensive coordinator, not a good one; and certainly not a "great defensive mastermind."

As I have said several times, the Packers could probably find a way to do worse than Dom Capers, but I can't imagine they couldn't find a way to do better.
PackFanWithTwins
11 years ago
You would think somebody from this message board would be able to walk in and replace Both McCarthy and Capers and turn out a perfect season.

All the talent experts here that the NFL has just missed. Truth is, none of us really know what we are talking about. We like to act like we know what a players responsibility was on any particular play, but we are just guessing.
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