TheKanataThrilla
10 years ago

The NFLs job is not to punish for our legal system, which is what they have done now in regards to Peterson and Rice.

Originally Posted by: PackFanWithTwins 



I agree to an extent on this, but I do think this is still a "protection of the brand" issue. The Peterson and Rice cases are terrible for the image of the league. Sure there have actually been worse acts committed by players, but the images of Rice striking a woman, and the injuries and details that have emerged in the Peterson case has hurt the league along with the media attention of both cases is a huge PR nightmare. Goodell was put in a pretty bad situation with the media circus and unfortunately his ruling seems inconsistent with other cases.

PackFanWithTwins
10 years ago

I agree to an extent on this, but I do think this is still a "protection of the brand" issue. The Peterson and Rice cases are terrible for the image of the league. Sure there have actually been worse acts committed by players, but the images of Rice striking a woman, and the injuries and details that have emerged in the Peterson case has hurt the league along with the media attention of both cases is a huge PR nightmare. Goodell was put in a pretty bad situation with the media circus and unfortunately his ruling seems inconsistent with other cases.

Originally Posted by: TheKanataThrilla 



The problem is they can't create a consistent policy when the legal matters have such variables. Today, Erik Walden would have gotten the same punishment as Peterson even though their incidents have nothing in common. Which is why the policy should be. Let legal matters be dealt with by the legal system. And once the legal system is finished, let the teams decided if they want to retain or employ the players based on their own business decision.
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Wade
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10 years ago
Employment, being a part of the NFL, these are private associations and private contracts. They should be governed by the rules of voluntary associations. If you don't want to associate with people under certain conditions, you shouldn't have to. If the NFL wants to cut ties with Peterson, temporarily or permanently, it should be allowed to. Same with the Vikings.

IMO the only question is what the collective bargaining agreement says. And not having seen it, nor practiced in this area of contract law, I wouldn't presume to know what it says about Goodell's/the NFL's/the Vikings's power to terminate or restrict the terms of future association.

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steveishere
10 years ago

I agree to an extent on this, but I do think this is still a "protection of the brand" issue. The Peterson and Rice cases are terrible for the image of the league. Sure there have actually been worse acts committed by players, but the images of Rice striking a woman, and the injuries and details that have emerged in the Peterson case has hurt the league along with the media attention of both cases is a huge PR nightmare. Goodell was put in a pretty bad situation with the media circus and unfortunately his ruling seems inconsistent with other cases.

Originally Posted by: TheKanataThrilla 



The thing that bugs me the most though is with Rice it was a PR hit but it was only a "nightmare" because of the NFLs own actions. They caused the nightmare themselves but to deal with it they just heaped extra punishement on guys like Rice and Peterson. I think all players should be dealt with fairly and not have to be worried about getting extra punished if Roger Goodell has a stick up his ass that certain day or not. Ray Rice isn't the reason Goodell had to deal with all of that extra shit it was his own fault. If he was just decisive and consistent from the get go I would be fine with his punishments but he's proving that he's just going to dish out justice on a whim and he's proving incompetent at being able to deal with this stuff. They need a better system that is consistent and fair.
hardrocker950
10 years ago

Employment, being a part of the NFL, these are private associations and private contracts. They should be governed by the rules of voluntary associations. If you don't want to associate with people under certain conditions, you shouldn't have to. If the NFL wants to cut ties with Peterson, temporarily or permanently, it should be allowed to. Same with the Vikings.

IMO the only question is what the collective bargaining agreement says. And not having seen it, nor practiced in this area of contract law, I wouldn't presume to know what it says about Goodell's/the NFL's/the Vikings's power to terminate or restrict the terms of future association.

Originally Posted by: Wade 



I agree with this, but few others see it that way. My employer has a policy on criminal activity. If I were to get caught shoplifting or get picked up for DUI, I could get suspended without pay or get fired. If many of us blue collar employees are held to this standard, why should it be different just because you play football?

There are always terms in contracts, but of course none of us know specifically what AP's terms are. It seems that most contracts have a "way out" in such situations like this. Either way - I am glad I am not in his shoes right now.
PackFanWithTwins
10 years ago

The thing that bugs me the most though is with Rice it was a PR hit but it was only a "nightmare" because of the NFLs own actions. They caused the nightmare themselves but to deal with it they just heaped extra punishement on guys like Rice and Peterson. I think all players should be dealt with fairly and not have to be worried about getting extra punished if Roger Goodell has a stick up his ass that certain day or not. Ray Rice isn't the reason Goodell had to deal with all of that extra shit it was his own fault. If he was just decisive and consistent from the get go I would be fine with his punishments but he's proving that he's just going to dish out justice on a whim and he's proving incompetent at being able to deal with this stuff. They need a better system that is consistent and fair.

Originally Posted by: steveishere 



The original Rice decision was consistent with past cases. It was reacting to the public outcry that screwed everything up.
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DoddPower
10 years ago

The original Rice decision was consistent with past cases. It was reacting to the public outcry that screwed everything up.

Originally Posted by: PackFanWithTwins 



I thought the original punishment should have been more like six games?
Yerko
10 years ago
I wish the NFL had a more stable system from the beginning of all of this because it is truly needed in the league today with everything that happens. The inconsistencies have made everything that much worse.

I do believe players like Rice, Peterson, Gordon and Aldon Smith deserve suspensions and I think the NFL has every right to make those decisions. The matter of how they are being dished out is just making the matters worse.

I also believe replacing Goodell would have been a good thing for the NFL as well. This clown dropped the ball big time, multiple times.


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sschind
10 years ago

The problem is they can't create a consistent policy when the legal matters have such variables. Today, Erik Walden would have gotten the same punishment as Peterson even though their incidents have nothing in common. Which is why the policy should be. Let legal matters be dealt with by the legal system. And once the legal system is finished, let the teams decided if they want to retain or employ the players based on their own business decision.

Originally Posted by: PackFanWithTwins 



Part of the problem with tying it into the legal system is that the legal system takes so long to run its course. Do you suspend a guy as soon as he is arrested for a DUI or an alleged assault or do you wait until he goes to court or until he cops a plea or whatever happens to complete the legal part of it. The vast majority of things we are talking about will not involve any jail time unless its a repeat offense so once the court date is done, the trial over or the plea deal done the legal part can be considered over. If you suspend him right away what if it turns out he is innocent. If you wait the guy may play a whole season before the legal system clears him or convicts him. Take Peterson for example. Should he have been allowed to play until he took his plea deal and then the suspension kicks in. Some people say yes others say no.

I think they are trying to create a consistent policy the problem is I think they pussyfooted around for so long then the Rice thing blew up in their face and the over-reacted with a minimum of 6 games for any infraction. They needed to sit down and make a list of potential infractions and assign values to them along with mitigating circumstances and then place them in the appropriate length of suspension category. 2 or 3 games for lesser offenses, 6 or 8 games for more serious ones with the potential for these to be longer if circumstances dictate.

It's 100% a "protection of the brand" issue. The NFL is not in the business to punish a player for the crimes he commits. They have their suspensions in place to show the public that they will deal with rif raf in their own way outside of the law and they have that right. As other have said, they have conduct policies where they work and football players should too.

The biggest problem is that short of murder or clear cut violence people's opinions vary widely on what they think should be an infraction. Some people think a drug bust is no big deal. Some people think hitting your kid with a stick is acceptable form of punishment and does not warrant a suspension. The best way to get around that is to come up with a policy that is not unreasonable and be consistent in its application. Set it to start at some date in the future and disregard anything that has happened in the past. Finally, there needs to be a committee (normally I would hate saying something like that) to decide all this. It can't be up to one guy. It won't make everyone happy but if its consistent most people will accept it.

Originally Posted by: PackFanWithTwins Go to Quoted Post
The original Rice decision was consistent with past cases. It was reacting to the public outcry that screwed everything up.


Part of the problem facing any future rules is trying to make them consistent with past cases because we all know past cases were anything but consistent. They need to forget about past cases and deal with the future. Its like Lynn swan in the HOF. He has 5400 yards in his career so does that mean everyone with more than that deserves to be in the HOF. You can't always decide the future based on the past. Sometimes you just have to move on and say sorry guys whats done is done but we are doing it this way from now on. Some people won't like it but that's tough.
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