wpr
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2 years ago

In the first round of the 2017 NFL Draft, the Green Bay Packers could have selected T.J. Watt. Instead of one of the best defenders in the league, Packers wound up with Kevin King.

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It will never go away. I'm sure even the front office regrets it.
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nerdmann
2 years ago
Didn't like Watt there. Remember at the time, he had just torn up his knee.

Didn't care for King's history either, just saying. King was also a trade nack into the 2nd roubd, iirc.
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Zero2Cool
2 years ago
Where are the articles about other teams missing out on players the Packers picked? There has to be teams upset they didn't take Kenny Clark, Davante Adams, Jaire Alexander ... where those at?
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go.pack.go.
2 years ago
Yeah this type of situation can be brought up in a lot of different cases. Too bad we passed on Adrian Peterson to draft AJ Hawk too.
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Mucky Tundra
2 years ago

Where are the articles about other teams missing out on players the Packers picked? There has to be teams upset they didn't take Kenny Clark, Davante Adams, Jaire Alexander ... where those at?

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If the 2019 draft had a redo, does Elgton Jenkins last more than 15 picks?
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2 years ago

If the 2019 had a redo, does Elgton Jenkins last more than 15 picks?

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Or Bakhtiari to the 4th round in his draft?
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wpr
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2 years ago

Where are the articles about other teams missing out on players the Packers picked? There has to be teams upset they didn't take Kenny Clark, Davante Adams, Jaire Alexander ... where those at?

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 



It happens every year. The draft is not perfect. One of the reasons I laugh at the media experts. They are wrong more than the team's are. Yet you never see them admit it.
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Mucky Tundra
2 years ago

It happens every year. The draft is not perfect. One of the reasons I laugh at the media experts. They are wrong more than the team's are. Yet you never see them admit it.

Originally Posted by: wpr 



They also make the assumption that everything would just shake out the same way with names swapped around like Huber does here: assuming that GB ends up in the NFC title game but better positioned on defense due to more cap to spread around. He also assumes Watt would have fared better vs Tampa but that's overlooking Brady's quick release and the number of balls that he throws away when nothing is available to avoid contact at all costs. If GB drafts Watt, who's playing opposite of him? Does Gutey still sign Z to a massive contract? Does Preston get signed as a cheaper fill in option? Do they draft some mid-tier guys in later rounds instead of Gary? A large part of the success that GB has had in terms of creating pressure and getting to the QB has revolved around rotating the Smith Bros and Gary as well as lining them up all over.
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2 years ago

They also make the assumption that everything would just shake out the same way with names swapped around like Huber does here: assuming that GB ends up in the NFC title game but better positioned on defense due to more cap to spread around. He also assumes Watt would have fared better vs Tampa but that's overlooking Brady's quick release and the number of balls that he throws away when nothing is available to avoid contact at all costs. If GB drafts Watt, who's playing opposite of him? Does Gutey still sign Z to a massive contract? Does Preston get signed as a cheaper fill in option? Do they draft some mid-tier guys in later rounds instead of Gary? A large part of the success that GB has had in terms of creating pressure and getting to the QB has revolved around rotating the Smith Bros and Gary as well as lining them up all over.

Originally Posted by: Mucky Tundra 



The reason so many are sore about that pick - many (most) fans I know wanted them to draft TJ. It adds to the anger because the returns on King have been that of a 7th round flyer pick. Easy to criticize with hindsight, but even without that - it was obvious in the moment that they took the wrong guy.

All of that said - it is true that things would have been handled differently as far as free agency and future drafts. No telling what roster we might have now. Instead of having a guy like Z or Gary, he might be expected to do it all himself - happens more often than most would think.
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2 years ago

They also make the assumption that everything would just shake out the same way with names swapped around like Huber does here: assuming that GB ends up in the NFC title game but better positioned on defense due to more cap to spread around. He also assumes Watt would have fared better vs Tampa but that's overlooking Brady's quick release and the number of balls that he throws away when nothing is available to avoid contact at all costs. If GB drafts Watt, who's playing opposite of him? Does Gutey still sign Z to a massive contract? Does Preston get signed as a cheaper fill in option? Do they draft some mid-tier guys in later rounds instead of Gary? A large part of the success that GB has had in terms of creating pressure and getting to the QB has revolved around rotating the Smith Bros and Gary as well as lining them up all over.

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It is amazing how often people (media) fail to consider the butterfly effect.
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