Brett's Thread.· Page 3

Trippster
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16 years ago

You make a good point, but there is more to it than that. You don't have "fans" at work who have a stake in your decision. Some people think it's overly quaint to factor the fans into all this, but I don't. The fans are the people who worship professional athletes and pay millions to watch them play. For a star athlete to slap them in the face like this is not something that will be taken lightly, nor should it.

"longtimefan" wrote:

TY!!!

I hate the "regular job" comparisons...

Those "employees" do not need to work to feed their families. So can't use that excuse.

The things left are their emotions of hurt and bitterness. Fine, I get they feel the same as joe 6 pack and want to stick it to their boss..

but he is affecting many many more people and lives

This is a sport where if he is just trying to get back at Ted, and lets face it its still a reason, it could blow up in his face.......

not to mention the other 50+ people on the team including the coaches and front office people just to cure his revenge itch..

There is much much at stake then me trying to fed my family

"Greg C." wrote:

LT, it is the same as a job. As I posted, the money is different but that is not the driving force. If feeding the family were the only need, then brett would have retired after his first million dollar check. After all, he could now feed his family the rest of his life.

Greg C, There are "fans" in a regular job. co workers that depend on your production and that of the company. Trust me, many sales people have left one company, gone to the rival, and taken many $$$ in clients, sales etc. thus having a huge inpact on his former company.

And actually, our emotions as fans have little bearing to the situation and motivation.

"Let Your Light Shine!"

ILikeThePackers39
Registered

16 years ago

#22

Thanks Dingus.
Thats what i thought. Ali was "the greatest", but didn't know when it was time to quit. He's paying for it DEARLY now.
I do NOT want that to happen to Favre. If thats considered "selfish" by some, for me to think that way, so be it.

If he does play, and does get hurt, i'll say "i told you so" to those that blasted me, or labeled me a "Favre hater" for saying i want him to walk away while he can still walk.
He doesn't need to prove anything to anyone.....not even to himself. He IS one of the all time best. There is NO need to prove anything to anyone.
JMO of course, for what it's worth.

"dd80forever" wrote:

That's not up to you decide though, that's up to Brett. Brett may get banged up but he's not going to be like Ali.

It's a risk all players take. Football is a violent game. If you live in fear of injuries you might as well try golfing

"Cheesey" wrote:

I'm sorry, but at this point I think you're simply being obtuse so you can prolong an argument that's long since run out of steam.

If you can't distinguish genuine concern for a guy we cheered for 17 years from some ridiculous notion that anyone but Brett can make this decision, then, IMO, you're being willfully ignorant.

Put simply (and yes, I've read enough of Cheesey's posts on this matter than I do feel I can speak for him), we're concerned simply because we're so damn fond of the guy. Just like I'd be concerned if my friend were going to do something risky for a reason I didn't agree with. Are we saying he can't? No. We're saying, that as fans*, we very much want him to be able to play around with his future grandchildren in some semblance of comfort.

I KNOW Brett Favre is tough. One of the toughest to play the game and for my money THE toughest QB, ever. I also know that somehow he's managed to go 17 years without getting his head taken off on the field and I know that sort of luck is NOT common.

I don't want his luck to run out. I don't want to see my favorite QB of all time laid out on a football field because one of the Joey Porters of the world lucked into a clean shot and let him have it w/ both barrels. I absolutely understand and respect that it's his decision and I wouldn't presume that he gives a rat's ass about my opinion. But it is my opinion that unless he is suffused with a desire to play football (not just to get back at his former employer), if he gets hurt in this attempt it will not have been worth it.

If you want to call me a hater or - once again - point out that it's his decision to make (even though I have stated as clearly as I'm able that I KNOW this), that's your call. I'm as entitled to my opinion as anyone.

*and before I get dragged around, please be sure to have proof that I ever said I was not or stopped being a fan of Favre. You won't find it.

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zombieslayer
Registered

16 years ago

#23

That's not up to you decide though, that's up to Brett. Brett may get banged up but he's not going to be like Ali.

It's a risk all players take. Football is a violent game. If you live in fear of injuries you might as well try golfing

"dd80forever" wrote:

Agreed.

EVERY time you get on the field, you risk a serious injury. It doesn't matter if you're 22 or 40. Sterling Sharpe was in his prime.

There are a bunch of could have beens who nobody even remembers who had career ending injuries too early in their career to be remembered. For example, how good would Terrance Murphy have been? We'll never know. He could have been the next Taco Wallace or he could have been a Donald Driver We'll never know.

Thus is football. A dangerous game. Anyone remember what happened to Steve Young?

My man Donald Driver

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longtimefan
Registered

16 years ago

#24

You make a good point, but there is more to it than that. You don't have "fans" at work who have a stake in your decision. Some people think it's overly quaint to factor the fans into all this, but I don't. The fans are the people who worship professional athletes and pay millions to watch them play. For a star athlete to slap them in the face like this is not something that will be taken lightly, nor should it.

"Trippster" wrote:

TY!!!

I hate the "regular job" comparisons...

Those "employees" do not need to work to feed their families. So can't use that excuse.

The things left are their emotions of hurt and bitterness. Fine, I get they feel the same as joe 6 pack and want to stick it to their boss..

but he is affecting many many more people and lives

This is a sport where if he is just trying to get back at Ted, and lets face it its still a reason, it could blow up in his face.......

not to mention the other 50+ people on the team including the coaches and front office people just to cure his revenge itch..

There is much much at stake then me trying to fed my family

"longtimefan" wrote:

LT, it is the same as a job. As I posted, the money is different but that is not the driving force. If feeding the family were the only need, then brett would have retired after his first million dollar check. After all, he could now feed his family the rest of his life.

Greg C, There are "fans" in a regular job. co workers that depend on your production and that of the company. Trust me, many sales people have left one company, gone to the rival, and taken many $$$ in clients, sales etc. thus having a huge inpact on his former company.

And actually, our emotions as fans have little bearing to the situation and motivation.

"Greg C." wrote:

Even though I admitted emotions are the same, bitterness is the same, wanted to prove something is the same..

We will never agree on comparing being an nfl player to joe 6 pack

Thats just how i am..

longtimefan
Registered

16 years ago

#25

There is much much at stake then me trying to fed my family

"pack93z" wrote:

Whom said anything about 'feeding his family'.

No it is settling something that is a personal...

So it becomes a employee verses employer type of disagreement.. if Joe Six pack had the financial freedom to take a job that would be able to validate his view upon the ending of the working relationship.. I bet more times than not that Joe does it.

Brett can still play the game.. a team is still interested in his services and Brett gets to validate his position to someone that disagreed... it isn't about money or 'feeding his family'... it is about the pride that every man has in himself.

Sometimes that pride seems foolish from the outside looking in.. but not from the inside.

Brett is human.. he bleeds, feels, and has emotions just like the rest of us.. so we are to condemn him for acting upon it when he has the means and the opportunity.

Take the focus off the money and look at the dynamics of it all.. basic story that is played out every day throughout the workplace.. as rare as it may be.. this time the employee gets to act upon his more than likely wish. Recapturing his pride.

"longtimefan" wrote:

We will never agree with this I think its wrong, you dont..

So I for one am done

Pack93z
Select Member

16 years ago

#26

We will never agree with this I think its wrong, you dont..

So I for one am done

"longtimefan" wrote:

Probably not.. :lol:

Just putting my view point on it in the opposite direction. 😉

"The oranges are dry; the apples are mealy; and the papayas... I don't know what's going on with the papayas!"

Cheesey
Preferred Member

16 years ago

#27

Thanks Dingus.
Thats what i thought. Ali was "the greatest", but didn't know when it was time to quit. He's paying for it DEARLY now.
I do NOT want that to happen to Favre. If thats considered "selfish" by some, for me to think that way, so be it.

If he does play, and does get hurt, i'll say "i told you so" to those that blasted me, or labeled me a "Favre hater" for saying i want him to walk away while he can still walk.
He doesn't need to prove anything to anyone.....not even to himself. He IS one of the all time best. There is NO need to prove anything to anyone.
JMO of course, for what it's worth.

"ILikeThePackers39" wrote:

That's not up to you decide though, that's up to Brett. Brett may get banged up but he's not going to be like Ali.

It's a risk all players take. Football is a violent game. If you live in fear of injuries you might as well try golfing

"dd80forever" wrote:

I'm sorry, but at this point I think you're simply being obtuse so you can prolong an argument that's long since run out of steam.

If you can't distinguish genuine concern for a guy we cheered for 17 years from some ridiculous notion that anyone but Brett can make this decision, then, IMO, you're being willfully ignorant.

Put simply (and yes, I've read enough of Cheesey's posts on this matter than I do feel I can speak for him), we're concerned simply because we're so damn fond of the guy. Just like I'd be concerned if my friend were going to do something risky for a reason I didn't agree with. Are we saying he can't? No. We're saying, that as fans*, we very much want him to be able to play around with his future grandchildren in some semblance of comfort.

I KNOW Brett Favre is tough. One of the toughest to play the game and for my money THE toughest QB, ever. I also know that somehow he's managed to go 17 years without getting his head taken off on the field and I know that sort of luck is NOT common.

I don't want his luck to run out. I don't want to see my favorite QB of all time laid out on a football field because one of the Joey Porters of the world lucked into a clean shot and let him have it w/ both barrels. I absolutely understand and respect that it's his decision and I wouldn't presume that he gives a rat's ass about my opinion. But it is my opinion that unless he is suffused with a desire to play football (not just to get back at his former employer), if he gets hurt in this attempt it will not have been worth it.

If you want to call me a hater or - once again - point out that it's his decision to make (even though I have stated as clearly as I'm able that I KNOW this), that's your call. I'm as entitled to my opinion as anyone.

*and before I get dragged around, please be sure to have proof that I ever said I was not or stopped being a fan of Favre. You won't find it.

"Cheesey" wrote:

THANK YOU!!!!!
I thought maybe i wasn't getting my point accross clear enough.
I think you PROVED i have. (But some are just willingly ignorant)

dd80forever
Registered

16 years ago

#28

Thanks Dingus.
Thats what i thought. Ali was "the greatest", but didn't know when it was time to quit. He's paying for it DEARLY now.
I do NOT want that to happen to Favre. If thats considered "selfish" by some, for me to think that way, so be it.

If he does play, and does get hurt, i'll say "i told you so" to those that blasted me, or labeled me a "Favre hater" for saying i want him to walk away while he can still walk.
He doesn't need to prove anything to anyone.....not even to himself. He IS one of the all time best. There is NO need to prove anything to anyone.
JMO of course, for what it's worth.

"Cheesey" wrote:

That's not up to you decide though, that's up to Brett. Brett may get banged up but he's not going to be like Ali.

It's a risk all players take. Football is a violent game. If you live in fear of injuries you might as well try golfing

"ILikeThePackers39" wrote:

I'm sorry, but at this point I think you're simply being obtuse so you can prolong an argument that's long since run out of steam.

If you can't distinguish genuine concern for a guy we cheered for 17 years from some ridiculous notion that anyone but Brett can make this decision, then, IMO, you're being willfully ignorant.

Put simply (and yes, I've read enough of Cheesey's posts on this matter than I do feel I can speak for him), we're concerned simply because we're so damn fond of the guy. Just like I'd be concerned if my friend were going to do something risky for a reason I didn't agree with. Are we saying he can't? No. We're saying, that as fans*, we very much want him to be able to play around with his future grandchildren in some semblance of comfort.

I KNOW Brett Favre is tough. One of the toughest to play the game and for my money THE toughest QB, ever. I also know that somehow he's managed to go 17 years without getting his head taken off on the field and I know that sort of luck is NOT common.

I don't want his luck to run out. I don't want to see my favorite QB of all time laid out on a football field because one of the Joey Porters of the world lucked into a clean shot and let him have it w/ both barrels. I absolutely understand and respect that it's his decision and I wouldn't presume that he gives a rat's ass about my opinion. But it is my opinion that unless he is suffused with a desire to play football (not just to get back at his former employer), if he gets hurt in this attempt it will not have been worth it.

If you want to call me a hater or - once again - point out that it's his decision to make (even though I have stated as clearly as I'm able that I KNOW this), that's your call. I'm as entitled to my opinion as anyone.

*and before I get dragged around, please be sure to have proof that I ever said I was not or stopped being a fan of Favre. You won't find it.

"dd80forever" wrote:

THANK YOU!!!!!
I thought maybe i wasn't getting my point accross clear enough.
I think you PROVED i have. (But some are just willingly ignorant)

"Cheesey" wrote:

Cheesey, I'd appreciate if you didn't call me ignorant..

Secondly 39, you can choose to think I'm being obtuse and discard anything I say but you are 100% dead wrong.

In fact, since I was just called ignorant I'm going to be honest about what I think. This is not meant at a insult but I guess how I feel.

I think Cheesey's "love" for Brett's health is some of the phoniest BS I've ever heard. I mean where was he in 2005, 2006, and 2007 saying "please Brett don't play because you might get hurt"?

Hell should Woodson hang it up? He might get hurt too. Did he suggest William Henderson retire as he was getting long in the tooth?

Of course not. Noone cares, if they did, they wouldn't be a fan of a violent game. I don't cheer for players to get hurt but if my motivating factor is a players health, I'd watch golf.

Better yet will you cheer for Brett to "not get hit" by any Packer player if he signs with the Vikings? Of course you will. So you deeply care about Brett's health but if it involves your football team winning "to hell with him"?

I know you desire Brett to not play and not 1 ounce of it is about injuries. Should A-Rod not play because he might get injured as well?

Sorry, I'm not buying into this at all.

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Heatherthepackgirl
Registered

16 years ago

#29

Thanks Dingus.
Thats what i thought. Ali was "the greatest", but didn't know when it was time to quit. He's paying for it DEARLY now.
I do NOT want that to happen to Favre. If thats considered "selfish" by some, for me to think that way, so be it.

If he does play, and does get hurt, i'll say "i told you so" to those that blasted me, or labeled me a "Favre hater" for saying i want him to walk away while he can still walk.
He doesn't need to prove anything to anyone.....not even to himself. He IS one of the all time best. There is NO need to prove anything to anyone.
JMO of course, for what it's worth.

"Cheesey" wrote:

That's not up to you decide though, that's up to Brett. Brett may get banged up but he's not going to be like Ali.

It's a risk all players take. Football is a violent game. If you live in fear of injuries you might as well try golfing

"ILikeThePackers39" wrote:

I'm sorry, but at this point I think you're simply being obtuse so you can prolong an argument that's long since run out of steam.

If you can't distinguish genuine concern for a guy we cheered for 17 years from some ridiculous notion that anyone but Brett can make this decision, then, IMO, you're being willfully ignorant.

Put simply (and yes, I've read enough of Cheesey's posts on this matter than I do feel I can speak for him), we're concerned simply because we're so damn fond of the guy. Just like I'd be concerned if my friend were going to do something risky for a reason I didn't agree with. Are we saying he can't? No. We're saying, that as fans*, we very much want him to be able to play around with his future grandchildren in some semblance of comfort.

I KNOW Brett Favre is tough. One of the toughest to play the game and for my money THE toughest QB, ever. I also know that somehow he's managed to go 17 years without getting his head taken off on the field and I know that sort of luck is NOT common.

I don't want his luck to run out. I don't want to see my favorite QB of all time laid out on a football field because one of the Joey Porters of the world lucked into a clean shot and let him have it w/ both barrels. I absolutely understand and respect that it's his decision and I wouldn't presume that he gives a rat's ass about my opinion. But it is my opinion that unless he is suffused with a desire to play football (not just to get back at his former employer), if he gets hurt in this attempt it will not have been worth it.

If you want to call me a hater or - once again - point out that it's his decision to make (even though I have stated as clearly as I'm able that I KNOW this), that's your call. I'm as entitled to my opinion as anyone.

*and before I get dragged around, please be sure to have proof that I ever said I was not or stopped being a fan of Favre. You won't find it.

"dd80forever" wrote:

THANK YOU!!!!!
I thought maybe i wasn't getting my point accross clear enough.
I think you PROVED i have. (But some are just willingly ignorant)

"Cheesey" wrote:

Im not ignorant either, just because I choose to support Brett and he might happen to be on the opposing team, so what? It makes it more exciting to watch. I will always be a Packer fan but also a Brett fan as well. Everyone has their own view point on this matter and each and everyone of us want the other to change their minds on how they feel, It wont happen. I say a football fan is a football fan if they choose to support a team or a few great players, or all of the above thats their own choice. Im just sad that Brett has given so many years of his life playing for the Packers and when he no longer is on our team its like he no longer exists, to me that is pretty sad.

Heathiee

longtimefan
Registered

16 years ago

#30

Thanks Dingus.
Thats what i thought. Ali was "the greatest", but didn't know when it was time to quit. He's paying for it DEARLY now.
I do NOT want that to happen to Favre. If thats considered "selfish" by some, for me to think that way, so be it.

If he does play, and does get hurt, i'll say "i told you so" to those that blasted me, or labeled me a "Favre hater" for saying i want him to walk away while he can still walk.
He doesn't need to prove anything to anyone.....not even to himself. He IS one of the all time best. There is NO need to prove anything to anyone.
JMO of course, for what it's worth.

"dd80forever" wrote:

That's not up to you decide though, that's up to Brett. Brett may get banged up but he's not going to be like Ali.

It's a risk all players take. Football is a violent game. If you live in fear of injuries you might as well try golfing

"Cheesey" wrote:

I'm sorry, but at this point I think you're simply being obtuse so you can prolong an argument that's long since run out of steam.

If you can't distinguish genuine concern for a guy we cheered for 17 years from some ridiculous notion that anyone but Brett can make this decision, then, IMO, you're being willfully ignorant.

Put simply (and yes, I've read enough of Cheesey's posts on this matter than I do feel I can speak for him), we're concerned simply because we're so damn fond of the guy. Just like I'd be concerned if my friend were going to do something risky for a reason I didn't agree with. Are we saying he can't? No. We're saying, that as fans*, we very much want him to be able to play around with his future grandchildren in some semblance of comfort.

I KNOW Brett Favre is tough. One of the toughest to play the game and for my money THE toughest QB, ever. I also know that somehow he's managed to go 17 years without getting his head taken off on the field and I know that sort of luck is NOT common.

I don't want his luck to run out. I don't want to see my favorite QB of all time laid out on a football field because one of the Joey Porters of the world lucked into a clean shot and let him have it w/ both barrels. I absolutely understand and respect that it's his decision and I wouldn't presume that he gives a rat's ass about my opinion. But it is my opinion that unless he is suffused with a desire to play football (not just to get back at his former employer), if he gets hurt in this attempt it will not have been worth it.

If you want to call me a hater or - once again - point out that it's his decision to make (even though I have stated as clearly as I'm able that I KNOW this), that's your call. I'm as entitled to my opinion as anyone.

*and before I get dragged around, please be sure to have proof that I ever said I was not or stopped being a fan of Favre. You won't find it.

"ILikeThePackers39" wrote:

THANK YOU!!!!!
I thought maybe i wasn't getting my point accross clear enough.
I think you PROVED i have. (But some are just willingly ignorant)

"dd80forever" wrote:

Cheesey, I'd appreciate if you didn't call me ignorant..

Secondly 39, you can choose to think I'm being obtuse and discard anything I say but you are 100% dead wrong.

In fact, since I was just called ignorant I'm going to be honest about what I think. This is not meant at a insult but I guess how I feel.

I think Cheesey's "love" for Brett's health is some of the phoniest BS I've ever heard. I mean where was he in 2005, 2006, and 2007 saying "please Brett don't play because you might get hurt"?

Hell should Woodson hang it up? He might get hurt too. Did he suggest William Henderson retire as he was getting long in the tooth?

Of course not. Noone cares, if they did, they wouldn't be a fan of a violent game. I don't cheer for players to get hurt but if my motivating factor is a players health, I'd watch golf.

Better yet will you cheer for Brett to "not get hit" by any Packer player if he signs with the Vikings? Of course you will. So you deeply care about Brett's health but if it involves your football team winning "to hell with him"?

I know you desire Brett to not play and not 1 ounce of it is about injuries. Should A-Rod not play because he might get injured as well?

Sorry, I'm not buying into this at all.

"Cheesey" wrote:

I dont think the health issue is even in the top 5 reasons why Alan doesnt want him to play..But it is something Alan can be worried about..Or isn't he allowed to be worried?

Just because he doesnt support him going to the Viks does not mean he wishes to see Brett injured enough to where he is missing time

Wait , I know!!!!!!!!!!!

Just like you, Heather, Tripp and others CANT root for him to do good vs the Packers, because that would mean your not a Pack fan..

I hope that came across as being sarcastic...

Because isnt it possible that Alan does worry about his health just like people can root for him AND the Packers?

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