Don't disagree, but have we seen with any type of frequency? Nope.

Did the franchise want it badly on MNF and did they turn him loose on a suspect tackle? Nope.

So if they haven't done it til now.. and we all know we are stubborn, is it likely to change?

I think we are going to have a hard time keeping Kampman in GB with the current direction.. that is all.

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I don't think that we're using them that much differently. (Yes, we're letting him drop in coverage a tad bit much. Anyone else get a feeling that they're trying to cover up his ineffectivaty, maybe?)

Ware just has the perfect build for an OLB in a 3-4. He's one of those tweener type guys. I just think that Kampman misses that flexability and that hip movement. He's a mauler who keeps on working on a tackle. This extra yardage to get there isn't doing him any good either, I think. As good as the match-up might be with a running back from time to time. Ware just dominates running backs in a matter of seconds. Or runs around tackles with the extra space he has.

Ware is asked to drop into coverage a fair amount of times as well. Even James Harrison is. Neither of those guys are very good in coverage. It's just that they bring pressure or disguise their drop backs most of the time. Just look at last years SB.

That said, I do think that Kampman has been impressive against the run. He sees running plays develop way more standing up. Just a shame that he's not getting to the QB as effectively.

I'm still all for trading him to the Browns, but that would be quite unrealistic, seeing that they run a 3-4, as well.

The Titans are really lacking a pass rush right now with Haynesworth gone. They might just have the best left tackle in the league. I think that we'd need to give up some picks as well, but if they would be interested in that trade.... Aaron Kampman and a 3rd round pick for Michael Roos.

So, hypothetically the best teams to trade with.

Tennessee Titans - Michael Roos (The have no pass rush)
Cleveland Browns - Joe Thomas (They run a 3-4 as well, though)
Denver Broncos - Ryan Clady (Same problem as Browns)
Philadelphia Eagles - Jason Peters (They just gave up quite a bit for him and resigned him)
New Orleans Saints - Jammal Brown (Very risky and won't help us now, as he's on IR)
Carolina Panthers - Jordan Gross (They have a disgruntled DE, a future prospect at RE and really no one at left side of their D-line. They just invested heavily in Gross, though)
Miami Dolphins - Jake Long (Very unlikely. Such a young, great tackle and the nr. 1 overall pick pretty recently. Run a 3-4, as well)
San Diego Chargers - Marcus McNeill (Not an elite protector, but very good, anyway. They run a 3-4 as well, though)
San Fransisco 49ers - Joe Staley (3-4, just resigned, has an amazing amount of potential)
Atlanta Falcons - Sam Baker (Don't think that you can call him elite at this point, but has an amazing point of potential, as well. And he's keeping Ryan up pretty decently. Don't see them trading away any core players, though.

My guess right now would be on the Titans if we are willing to overpay a little or the Panthers as our best fits.

So would you rather use the franchise tag on him, a player that doesn't fit our scheme, or Collins a Pro Bowler we actually can use next year?

How about we give Kampman more than 4 games to adjust to his new role? I don't really understand how everybody expected Kampman to succeed as lb so fast.

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I think you have to look big picture on this thought process.. the issue is not giving up on Kampman after 4 games.

It is he is a Unrestricted Free Agent at the end of this season, yes we can tag him, but doing so is going to cost us dearly in cap space. Doable, but many here used Brett's yearly game as handcuffing the franchise, you don't think that type of cap number won't?

Two.. Is Kampman willing to resign as a linebacker or will he want to make a move back to his natural successful position? Can't answer that, maybe he is a Packer for life, but his quite approach to the preseason and regular season is either complete focus or something deeper.

Realistically, he probably isn't going anywhere and it will be sorted out come the offseason, but if the right deal for value appeared, I don't think it is foolish to pull the trigger on either.

That is nothing against Aaron, just the reality of the situation.

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You don't trade him right now. I don't even see an arguement for the other side actually. It's absurd that some are waving the white flag already because that's what trading Kampman is. It's waving the white flag.

A few reasons why....

1. You're not getting a tackle for him. Not someone who'll be a longterm solution and not someone who is probably any better than say Chad Clifton or a Levi Jones type of free agent.

Cleveland isn't moving Joe Thomas and Tennessee isn't moving Michael Roos. It's just not a viable option for any of those teams.

2. All you'll get is draft picks. Why trade him now when you can franchise him and trade him later?

3. You'll just create another hole at linebacker. Yes, Kampman isn't a great fit, but he's been above average considering what they've asked him to do. You think Brady Poppinga would be better?

4. The cap number isn't what you think it'd be if he's franchised. Linebackers make a lot less than defensive ends. Kampman is a linebacker and therefor if he's franchised next year, the cap hit would be give or take 8.5 million as opposed to the give or take 11 million it is on a DE.

5. The extra cap space that the Packers have allows them to make moves like this. It wouldn't hurt the Packers nearly as bad as people are making it out. In fact with zero CBA, Green Bay is going to have more money than they would with a CBA because players like Nick Collins, Johnny Jolly, and Jason Spitz are all RFA's that can be tendered for around 1.5 - 3million.

The only way you move Kampman is under this scenario.

Send a 2nd and another draft pick based on performance to San Diego for Shawn Merrimen. Hardly "Packer people", but a bold move.

Then send Kampman away for probably a 2nd.

I don't see where GB can land a tackle. I know Anthony Collins has been mentioned, but Cincinnati will probably want him starting at RT over Andre Smith for the remainder of the year anyways and they're defense is just fine.

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You know I love me some Kampy. I hope this all works out, and he's a Packer for life, but he very well may want to sign with a team that runs 4-3.

It IS only 4 games in, so I think a little more time is needed. It's not like he's been a liability, he just hasn't got to the QB...but then again, no one else has either.

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Roos and Thomas are longshots. I wouldn't be surprised if Mangenius moved him, but I imagine that it'd be to the Jets for a draft pick and some Jetes linemen.

What about Gross, though? He's not the youngest anymore. Just like Kampy. That Carolina defense is struggling, they have a disgruntled RDE who they, I expect, want to replace with Everette Brown and Fox really has to salvage something out of this year to save his job.

The theory is decently valid.

I just don't think that we'd pull a trade off, though.



Valid point. We could just do the same as we did with Corey Williams. That's not going to help Rodgers at this point. Thats what we're longing for over here, I guess. It does mean that we can't use the franchise tag again, though. Collins won't be going anywhere without a CBA, so we're lucky then, I guess.



Not better, but going from horrible to good at tackle (Thinking hypothetical tackle trade, still) while going from above average to average at LB seems like a good trade-in to me. I wouldn't mind seeing Poppinga, Matthews and Thompson rotate a little. Pick up a Travis LaBoy in FA and we're set again.



I agree, it's not that much and we can easily take it.



That would be a bold move, indeed. I've never been that much of a Merriman fan, so I'm quite sceptic about this one, but I do think that it'd give us a lot of production at the OLB position instantly. Good starting OLB don't grow on trees and this could one of those unique oppurtunities.

I think that he can get out of this slump.



There are some young guys out there who you can get when you overpay a little. I don't think that that's the answer right now, though. We need someone who can step right in. Be it by bringing in an older guy (like what we're doing now) or pay bigtime to get off an almost impossible trade.

Going by the fact that the Packers didn't even appear to take a look at Runyan and didn't sign Jones when they did have him in, I don't think that we'll make any drastic changes. Or any small ones. I think we'll cruise along with Tauscher and Clifton at tackle. Again. We'll just have to hope that we'll be in position to draft someone who can step right in in 2010. Maybe two.

And for the love of god, don't let it be a bust.

I think kampman should start at the D line, that is where he is at his best. And that way we can have Clay Mathews that is a beast in more often than he is in now. D line could have a better rotation and more stamina to push the opposing O line.

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If at all possible, we need to quit running the 2 down lineman. That is nothing but the 4-3 with smaller guys. Put our close to 1000lbs of Dline on the field to do what they are paid to do. Chew blocks, stop runs, and collapse the pocket.

If we are going to run the 3-4, then run the 3-4. To me it is much easier to create matchups in the trenches when you have more players like Jenkins, Jolly,Raji,Pickett Any one of them can command a double, and there are just not enough blockers to do it. So either they leave, Jolly and Jenkins singles to be able block the edge, or double and give the OLB TE/RB to match up against.

This 2 man front just does not work. Use it as a nickle package but we have been using more as a base, than a subpackage.

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