Aaron Rodgers' footsies and feetsies· Page 2

Greg C.
Registered Topic Starter

14 years ago

You'd think McCarthy has spotted Rodgers flaws on the film, or at least QB Coach Tom Clements has and made McCarthy aware of it. Yet, it continues to consistently occur.

"Chutzpah515" wrote:

He doesn't look injured. Besides he hasn't played well out of the gate. I hope McCarthy isn't looking at Rodgers the same way most fans are. Bottom line he is a third year starter and is not a proven Franchise QB, contrary to popular opinion. He should be held to the same, if not greater, standards as anyone else on the team. Rodgers' value has been inflated by fan hype. Fans, and maybe even coaches need to judge Rodgers on what he is at this moment, rather than by what he can be in the future.

"all_about_da_packers" wrote:

Rodgers deserves criticism, but now you've gone too far. His value has not been inflated by "fan hype," it's been inflated by the quality of play in his first two years as a starter. In other words, he earned it.

Whether or not he's a "proven franchise QB" is a matter of opinion, because there's nothing close to a clear definition of the term. I happen to think that he is. I would say that Brady, Manning, and Brees are still the class of the league, but Rodgers is in the second tier, along with Roethlisberger, Rivers, and Romo. I am not yet ready to demote Rodgers based on his shaky first half of the season.

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Chutzpah515
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14 years ago

#12

"Greg C." wrote:

I was wrong to say his "value" has been inflated. However it almost seems he has been crowned a future Hall of Famer, based on only two years of work. Many mention him in the same conversation as Brady, Manning, Rivers (vastly overrated) , and Brees, which I feel in a bit premature. Like you said, in top form, he is better than Rivers and Romo.

I haven't given up on Rodgers because I have a theory on what has happened. With all the MVP hype, Rodgers was "rattled" in the season opener and allowed some bad habits to return. McCarthy's inability or unwillingness to address these problems immediately, has caused these problems to consistently reappear throughout the season. Without a viable running game or OL Rodgers has put even more pressure on himself, further perpetuating this cycle.

I think Rodgers will be a future Hall of Famer and a primer franchise QB of the league, however he shouldn't be given that status as of yet.

Nonstopdrivel
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14 years ago

#13

He doesn't look injured.

"Chutzpah515" wrote:

Yes, he in fact does. You complain about his footwork, yet it is clear you have not observed his obvious gait disturbances. Toward the end of the Jets game, he was hobbling quite openly. If I remember correctly, he also hinted in the postgame press conference that he was experiencing some foot pain, though he downplayed it. (He also mentioned after the postseason defeat last year that he'd been dealing with ankle problems for most of the injury.)

If Rodgers isn't injured, why is he so careful not to plant his feet? I don't think we can say that it is primarily because he's afraid to get sacked. If that were the case, he could simply step up in the pocket -- or even roll out. But he's not doing that. He's not planting his feet when he throws or when he runs; indeed, he runs about the field high-stepping like a pony. Something is clearly amiss, but for whatever reason attention isn't being drawn to it. Maybe the staff doesn't want to make Rodgers more of a target than he already is in this pass-happy offense. Maybe Rodgers is simply toughing it out and hasn't admitted he is in pain. It's impossible to know. But he certainly looks injured to me.

Dexter_Sinister
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14 years ago

#14

Boy he really sucks. Over 2000 yards in 8 games is horrible. 5-3 is atrocious, they should bench him and fire MM.

If his worst year is an 85 rating, he will be a lot better than Favre. Who's average is 85 and his worst is 71. That is not because of a "different era". It was only '05 and '06 when he had his worst.

AADP, he can't be compared to Favre? Get real. His worst isn't bad enough to be to be compared to Favre. Why does Favre get a pass? You ignore the years Favre sucked and then say they should bench Rodgers for Flynn when he plays down to Favre's average level.

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all_about_da_packers
Senior Member

14 years ago

#15

AADP, he can't be compared to Favre? Get real. His worst isn't bad enough to be to be compared to Favre. Why does Favre get a pass? You ignore the years Favre sucked and then say they should bench Rodgers for Flynn when he plays down to Favre's average level.

"Dexter_Sinister" wrote:

I think you confused me with Chutzpah; he said those things not me. :)

For the record, Aaron won me over after his game against the Panthers in his first season starting. He brought his team back into the game in the second half after a terrible team performance in the first. He almost got his team a win single handed in a game they had no business even having a shot to win... I think the dude is a real franchise QB.

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Chutzpah515
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14 years ago

#16

Boy he really sucks. Over 2000 yards in 8 games is horrible. 5-3 is atrocious, they should bench him and fire Mike McCarthy.

If his worst year is an 85 rating, he will be a lot better than Favre. Who's average is 85 and his worst is 71. That is not because of a "different era". It was only '05 and '06 when he had his worst.

"Dexter_Sinister" wrote:

LOL, I never said bench him. With the Favre comment I was pointing out, because of his early success, it is sometimes forgotten that he has not yet fully developed QB, like Favre, to whom he constantly compared.

Side comment: What the hell are you trying to say in this part?

"Dexter_Sinister" wrote:

I think you have forgotten how good Favre was, regardless of what your trying to say.

Chutzpah515
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14 years ago

#17

"all_about_da_packers" wrote:

Yeah he did. I am a huge fan of Rodgers too. Why is being a fan of both Favre and Rodgers so difficult to understand?

Nonstopdrivel
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14 years ago

#18

Yes, Favre had three excellent years. But even in his pinnacle moment -- the Super Bowl victory -- he did not play nearly the role his rabid fans think he did. Watch the game again; the complete video is readily available on Youtube. You will see he did essentially nothing after the second quarter; he was kept carefully in check (and wisely so) by his head coach. The only points the Packers scored in the second half were on a 99-yard return for a TD by Desmond Howard. Even on Favre's touchdown pass, credit for most of that score has to go to Rison, not to Favre.

Even in his prime, there were quite a few times the Packers won in spite of Favre, not because of him.

Chutzpah515
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14 years ago

#19

Yes, he sucked in the playoffs, even then, but that shouldn't be much of a surprise. What point are you exactly trying to make?

Greg C.
Registered Topic Starter

14 years ago

#20

He doesn't look injured.

"Nonstopdrivel" wrote:

"Chutzpah515" wrote:

He tweaked his ankle during the Jets game, and he obviously was limping after that, but I hadn't noticed him walking funny in previous games. Maybe he was, but if you are the only person I know of who has mentioned it, I don't think it is as obvious as you imply.

If you are correct, it certainly could explain some of his problems, though. I'll try and watch him more closely in tonight's game, to see how he's walking. What makes it harder is that it seems like a lot of QBs have sort of an unathletic way of walking, compared to the other players.

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