Did The Absence of Ryan Grant Hold The 2010 Offense Back?· Page 4

earthquake
Member

14 years ago

Yeah but those hard facts by them selves don't mean one is better in a real team game like football is.

Because you also have to factor in Steven Jackson was the Rams offense for a while. Other teams game plans where don't let this guy kill us, make the rest of the team beat us.

Grant on the other hand (at least while with the Packers) has always had a pretty good passing attack around him which other team defenses focused on, which took pressure off of him.

Originally Posted by: beast

This is a pretty common argument, that better passing O = better stats for RBs. I dont really see it, look at 2009 with the vikes. Its the only time AP had a legitimate passing attack, and he put up a career low for rushing average. Generally, the more running backs tend to be used, the average they put up, the more times in a game you run the ball with a certain back, the greater the chance he breaks a big one. This is the case with AP and its generally the case with Grant too, the more you give him the ball, the better he tends to do.

So, this idea that having a great passing attack makes it easier for a RB to look good, I really just dont buy it.

blank

nerdmann
Premier Member

14 years ago

#32

Being on a better team makes your individual stats look better. There is no comparison between Grant Steven Jackson. Jackson can also catch the ball, get around the corner, make people miss, has vision to actually SEE holes, can cut without stopping first, etc. Thing is, he was their only weapon. Teams could key on him to win the game.

“Winning is not a sometime thing, it is an all the time thing. You don't do things right once in a while…you do them right all the time.”

Dexter_Sinister
Registered

14 years ago

#33

Originally Posted by: beast

In the modern NFL, you don't have to worry about shutting down the run game. You have to contain it. Don't allow a break away, let them get 100 yards and shut down the pass.

That is why Capers developed the psycho package. If you shut down the pass, you win.

We did that with Peterson. Let him get his yards, keep defenders in front of him so he can't break one for a TD from 20+ out and shut down the passing game. We won both games.

It is hard to argue with someone who ignores facts. Like Grant's 40 time and top 10 production.
Grants responsibility is to produce yards. That is the only thing he is responsible for. He does it better than most. Anything else is spin.

It reminds me of all the trolls that bashed Rodgers because he didn't have the "intangibles". If you lose the argument on facts, you have to pull out feelings and impressions. Because they are way more accurate than facts.

I want to go out like my Grandpa did. Peacefully in his sleep.
Not screaming in terror like his passengers.

Zero2Cool
Elite Member

14 years ago

#34

It's also Ryan Grant's responsibility to run into his own lineman while totaling more than 1,200 yards rushing. 🙂

Dexter_Sinister
Registered

14 years ago

#35

Originally Posted by: earthquake

That is why it is hard for a team to be a super bowl contender with a top running back. They tend to take away from the Passing game which has been shown to actually improve your odds of winning the better it is ranked. Unlike the running game.

The most important stats to have are passer rating differential and turnover differential. If you are higher ranked in those categories, you are much more likely to win. As close as it gets to a guarantee in the NFL. Rush Yardage differential can be negative and you still have close to the same odds to win.

I want to go out like my Grandpa did. Peacefully in his sleep.
Not screaming in terror like his passengers.

Dexter_Sinister
Registered

14 years ago

#36

It's also Ryan Grant's responsibility to run into his own lineman while totaling more than 1,200 yards rushing. :)

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool

I didn't quite laugh out loud. I did sort of chortle. SOCOL.

I want to go out like my Grandpa did. Peacefully in his sleep.
Not screaming in terror like his passengers.

beast
Select Member

14 years ago

#37

It is hard to argue with someone who ignores facts. Like Grant's 40 time and top 10 production.

Originally Posted by: Dexter_Sinister

Are you directing this towards me and saying I'm ignoring those?

Because if you are then you're wrong.

porky88
Veteran Member

14 years ago

#38

Originally Posted by: beast

Also, don't forget to consider Jackson as an every-down RB. In the Packer offense, he could catch probably 40-50 passes, which is something Grant doesn't do. Grant is a very solid RB, but Steven Jackson is among the best in the NFC.

http://www.row12.com/

Dexter_Sinister
Registered

14 years ago

#39

Originally Posted by: porky88

Grant did have 73 catches in 2.5 years.

I want to go out like my Grandpa did. Peacefully in his sleep.
Not screaming in terror like his passengers.

Dexter_Sinister
Registered

14 years ago

#40

Are you directing this towards me and saying I'm ignoring those?

Because if you are then you're wrong.

Originally Posted by: beast

My appologies, it was more directed more generally. I probably should have put that in a separate post.

I want to go out like my Grandpa did. Peacefully in his sleep.
Not screaming in terror like his passengers.

Important Information:

The PACKERSHOME uses cookies. By continuing to browse this site, you are agreeing to our use of cookies. More Details Close

Fan Shout

Zero2Cool (18h) : Well, not crazy, it makes sense. Crazy I didn't notice/find it earlier

Zero2Cool (18h) : it's crazy how one stored procedure to get data bogged everything down for speed here

dfosterf (18h) : to herd cats or goldfish without a bowl. They reminded me of the annual assembly of our fantasy league

dfosterf (18h) : out on a field trip, outfitting them with little yellow smocks. Most of the little folk were well behaved, but several were like trying

dfosterf (18h) : Yesterday my wife and I spent the afternoon on the waterfront here in Alexandria, Va. A daycare company took about 15 three/four year olds

wpr (18h) : seems faster. yay

dfosterf (18h) : Wife of reason posted on the in/out thread on fleaflicker that both she and vor are in

Zero2Cool (7-Aug) : This page was generated in 0.135 seconds.

Mucky Tundra (7-Aug) : Tbh, I can never tell the difference in speed unless it's completely shitting the bed

Zero2Cool (7-Aug) : Sure does feel like site is more snappy

Zero2Cool (6-Aug) : I thought that was the Lions OL

Mucky Tundra (6-Aug) : Travis Glover placed on IR; seasons over for him

Zero2Cool (6-Aug) : found bad sql in database, maybe site faster now?

dfosterf (5-Aug) : I'm going to call that a good move.

Zero2Cool (4-Aug) : Packers sign CB Corey Ballentine

Zero2Cool (4-Aug) : I'm not sure how to kill the draft order just yet so it's not so confusing.

Mucky Tundra (4-Aug) : *to be able

Mucky Tundra (4-Aug) : and because it's not a dynasty league (which makes a lot more sense to be ability to trade picks)

Mucky Tundra (4-Aug) : Oh I know; I was just exploring and it blew my mind that you could trade picks because of the whole reordering thing

Mucky Tundra (4-Aug) : Zero, I think I preferred my offer: your 1st for my 15th rounder

Zero2Cool (4-Aug) : Keep in mind, we do a draft reorder once all members locked in

Zero2Cool (4-Aug) : You can have my 12th Rd for your 2nd round

Mucky Tundra (4-Aug) : Hey i didn't know we could trade picks in fantasy

Mucky Tundra (3-Aug) : Update: Rock has tried a cheese curd, promises it's not his last

Zero2Cool (3-Aug) : watch it!! lol

Mucky Tundra (3-Aug) : you're right, we never did leave, the site just went down :P

Mucky Tundra (3-Aug) : Rock claims to have never eaten a cheese curd

Zero2Cool (3-Aug) : We did not leave.

Mucky Tundra (3-Aug) : Family Night! WE ARE SO BACK!

Mucky Tundra (2-Aug) : To this day, I'm still miffed about his 4 TD game against Dallas on Thanksgiving going to waste

Martha Careful (2-Aug) : Congratulations Sterling Sharpe. He was terrific and I loved watching him play.

beast (2-Aug) : I believe it's technically against the CBA rules, but Jerry just calls it a simple unofficial chat... and somehow gets away with it.

beast (2-Aug) : Jerry Jones is infamous for ̶n̶e̶g̶o̶t̶i̶a̶t̶i̶n̶g̶ chatting with players one on one... and going around the agent.

Mucky Tundra (1-Aug) : Oo just saw a blurb saying that Dallas negotiated directly with Parsons and not through his agent

Mucky Tundra (1-Aug) : I assumed that both guys will get paid, just a matter of when or how we get there

Zero2Cool (1-Aug) : McLaurin nor Micah going anywhere. They will get money

Mucky Tundra (1-Aug) : the Synder years or do they take care of one of their own?

Mucky Tundra (1-Aug) : Do the Commanders risk losing a top WR with an emerging QB just because he's turning 30 and potentially risk damaging the rebuild from

Mucky Tundra (1-Aug) : Turns 30 this September, plays at a high level and Washington has some cap space I believe

Mucky Tundra (1-Aug) : More interesting is Washington with Terry McLaurin

Mucky Tundra (1-Aug) : I would imagine Dallas will resolve this issue with a truckload of money

Zero2Cool (1-Aug) : Micah pulling a Myles with trade request

beast (1-Aug) : Packers should make some cheese forks

Mucky Tundra (31-Jul) : GRAB THE PITCHFORKS~

Zero2Cool (31-Jul) : CUT HIM

Mucky Tundra (31-Jul) : Socieltal collapse imminent

Mucky Tundra (31-Jul) : The West has fallen

Mucky Tundra (31-Jul) : After starting off camp with 25 straight made field goals, Brandon McManus has missed one

Zero2Cool (31-Jul) : But it should be stable

Zero2Cool (31-Jul) : It's probably gonna be slower.

Please sign in to use Fan Shout

2025 Packers Schedule

Sunday, Sep 7 @ 3:25 PM

LIONS

Thursday, Sep 11 @ 7:15 PM

COMMANDERS

Sunday, Sep 21 @ 12:00 PM

Browns

Sunday, Sep 28 @ 7:20 PM

Cowboys

Sunday, Oct 12 @ 3:25 PM

BENGALS

Sunday, Oct 19 @ 3:25 PM

Cardinals

Sunday, Oct 26 @ 7:20 PM

Steelers

Sunday, Nov 2 @ 12:00 PM

PANTHERS

Monday, Nov 10 @ 7:15 PM

EAGLES

Sunday, Nov 16 @ 12:00 PM

Giants

Sunday, Nov 23 @ 12:00 PM

VIKINGS

Thursday, Nov 27 @ 12:00 PM

Lions

Sunday, Dec 7 @ 12:00 PM

BEARS

Sunday, Dec 14 @ 3:25 PM

Broncos

Friday, Dec 19 @ 11:00 PM

Bears

Friday, Dec 26 @ 11:00 PM

RAVENS

Saturday, Jan 3 @ 11:00 PM

Vikings