Zero2Cool
14 years ago
I agree with what Mark Murphy is saying.

Athletes in college, most of them get a FREE ride and guess what, some of them LEAVE early in hopes of joining the NFL. I wonder how many kids would love to have that opportunity but didn't have the brains to get an academic scholarship or the athletic skills for a sports scholarship.

The minimum salary in the NFL is 400k or more. Figure the average American makes something like 30k-40k a year. Average NFL career is something like 4 years. That's 1.2-1.6 million dollars. You're telling me you can't live comfortably on 1.6 million dollars at age ... say 25 for the rest of your life? You couldn't pocket that money, spend it wisely, use your degree to help you live your life comfortably?


I think these kids need better money management skills as well as good medical insurance from the NFL, but I don't think the NFL should be responsible to finance the lives of NFL players after their careers are over. I'm not sure if that's exactly what the players are after, but it sounds that way.







http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/07/29/murphys-comments-on-retired-players-angered-nflpa/ 

Earlier this year, before the NFL and the players began the process of finding a middle ground (after trading middle fingers) and working their way toward a new labor deal, a couple of owners were the subject of reports regarding potentially polarizing conduct during negotiations. Panthers owner Jerry Richardson reportedly disrespected Saints quarterback Drew Brees and Colts quarterback Peyton Manning during a pre-Super Bowl session. Cowboys owner Jerry Jones reportedly used some tough talk and then made some sort of hand gesture during a meeting in Washington, at the Federal Mediation and Conciliation Service.

While talking with NFLPA executive director DeMaurice Smith during Thursday’s PFT Live, I stumbled across another situation that arose earlier this year. Though Smith was guarded in his words, it was clear based on a couple of questions regarding the role of former player and current Packers president Mark Murphy that the players have a high degree of animosity toward Murphy. So, after the show, I started snooping around. (I bought one of those really big magnifying glasses at the dollar store.)

Per multiple sources with knowledge of the situation, the players handling the negotiations prior to the lockout became significantly angered by comments made by Murphy on the Freakonomics podcast regarding retired players.

Said Murphy: “You know, right now our current players if they’re vested, and you vest if you play three or more seasons, you get health insurance coverage for five years, which is great. But I look at it, too, and the transition for players from playing in the NFL to finding another career and establishing themselves is very difficult, and I really wonder, sometimes, if we do too much for the players. They’ve got severance pay and a 401(k) plan. I guess what I’m saying is that sometimes it’s not all bad, and going back and talking to some of the players who played for [Vince] Lombardi in the ’60s — you know, they worked in the off-seasons, and they made a very smooth transition into their second careers because they had to. And so I’m a little worried that if we do too much for players in terms of compensation after their career’s end, and health insurance — it’s not all bad to have an incentive to get a job. And, so those are just some of the things we’re thinking through and talking through.”

The comments, we’re told, made former NFL linebacker Cornelius Bennett, a non-voting member of the NFLPA Executive Committee, livid. According to the sources, some of the players thereafter didn’t even want to be in the same room with Murphy. Said one source, “It was very real. It could have gotten ugly.”

When players-and-owners-only talks began in May, the sources say that the players asked Murphy to be excluded. And he was indeed absent from the process, until the very end when nine of the 10 members of the league’s labor committee participated in the final stage of face-to-face talks.

It all subsided until recently, when Murphy was interviewed by Tony Walter of the Green Bay Press-Gazette. Though the full article seems to be fairly tame, the players interpreted it as an effort by Murphy to claim partial credit for getting the deal done, when in reality the belief from the NFLPA side of the table is that Murphy was counterproductive. And that stirred up emotions that had flared before the lockout.

The Packers, through spokesman Aaron Popkey, declined to provide a comment.

It’s possible that the players’ complaints are simply part of the inherently contentious bargaining process. Murphy was involved in two 1980s strikes as a player, and he had the unique perspective of former player and current owner. Which made Murphy’s words potentially more persuasive to the players involved in the talks.

And so perhaps for the same reason the owners hated NFLPA lawyer Jeffrey Kessler, the players didn’t like Murphy. Perhaps both were despised because their opponents because they were effective.

Regardless, while it appears that the players have no hard feelings in the wake of the 10-year labor deal toward Jerry Jones and Jerry Richardson, the same can’t be said for their feelings about Mark Murphy.

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azrunning
14 years ago
I'm on board with that. Most are coddled because of their athletic abilities all the way through school. The players probably don't understand exactly what he is saying.
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Zero2Cool
14 years ago

I'm on board with that. Most are coddled because of their athletic abilities all the way through school. The players probably don't understand exactly what he is saying.

Originally Posted by: azrunning 



The impression I've got from some (not all) players is they feel because they've been basically spoonfed through high school and college that it should continue through the pro's. I don't necessary fault them for it, I fault those around them.

The thing players I feel need to understand is you will NOT be making those six or seven figures the rest of your life so plan ahead.
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Pack93z
14 years ago

The impression I've got from some (not all) players is they feel because they've been basically spoonfed through high school and college that it should continue through the pro's. I don't necessary fault them for it, I fault those around them.

The thing players I feel need to understand is you will NOT be making those six or seven figures the rest of your life so plan ahead.

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 



I think it is the very same concept that caught up with a former QB with the twist of having a say in the direction of the team. 😶

The entire system of recruiting in college is built upon this concept, when I was getting letter of interest decades ago they were total advertisement and what the school could do for you. I didn't get any further due to the wreck, but it was clear that even the DII schools were going to cater.. most of the camps I attended were glorified scouting camps and agenda based towards recruiting. I can't imagine what recruiting visit would have been like.. wait I can imagine and still harbor a grudge for not being spoiled. 😒 lol.

Then you get to school (observing through my cousin's experience) you get homework done by different groups (mostly sorority sisters or non player Frat brothers) , girls constantly garnering for attention and lax schedules to fit around their athletic schedules. Extended benefits.

Then another step is being chased by agents post college.. more pampering.

Non stop attention and being catered to.. and you wonder why some lack life skills.. mainly the ones with the insane athletic numbers to woo.

Hence why most lineman have a more grounded approach to life.. more often than not they put the work in and grew into their career. Most don't have eye popping freakish athletic testing numbers, they get the attention based and size and weight.. and are developed from there. Putting in the work to get on the field.. unlike some of the skill positions where they have a big arm, speed or freaky agility and run through the ranks mostly based on talent and not work.

Leading to struggles when they get into the league, where you are going to have to work to make it next to all the other freakish athletes.. and some don't. Then they find themselves in the real world without the developed life skills to make it.
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nerdmann
14 years ago
I agree with Murphy, but right or wrong, the players are going to take it badly. Another way you can look at it is that the Lombardi era players didn't make millions, and they're getting to be that age when they need health care. They built the NFL and made the game what it is today, maybe they deserve a little payback.
Bottom line is that health care in this country is fucked for everyone. But I think this issue goes beyond health care to the issue of retirement and income.
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rabidgopher04
14 years ago
Kudos to Mark Murphy for speaking the truth and saying what needs to be said.
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