musccy
10 years ago

I don't know about gutless, but clueless on short yardage and goal line offense I would agree. Come out heavy with 7 olineman and try to ram it in once, but twice in a row was stupid. After Kuhn missed, spread the defense out and let Rodgers try a sneak from the 6 inch line.

McCarthy can draw up some good passing plays, but his ability to scheme a creative run game is crap.

Originally Posted by: PackFanWithTwins 



Try to sneak your injured QB with a weak calf to drive off of? That's the smart play? Just what sort of innovative play do you suggest drawing up on the goal line? Pull your guards? Run to the corner against one of the fastest back 7 in football?

We're so eager to find someone to blame. You're trying to gain 12 inches. This isn't rocket science. Put in some bulldozers and hope for the best. We were out bulldozed, that's it. You'd sure as shit hope your offensive line can pull it off, and they didn't. Such is life, move on. The Packers still could have won despite this.
nerdmann
10 years ago

But not going for the jugular or punching it in didn't directly lose the game. What lost the game were players making boneheaded decisions/plays.

I agree with what you guys are saying about Mike McCarthy as a HC, but to say this loss is on him is ridiculous.

Originally Posted by: K_Buz 



Mike's teams are consistently less than the sum of their parts.

If the players weren't any good, it would be one thing. But he's got talent to work with. It's just that these are talented players who are shitting themselves.

And I'm sorry, but that IS on the coach.
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texaspackerbacker
10 years ago
I don't think I've ever said a word against Mike McCarthy, and I'm not gonna criticize him too much now. Just the same, I have had a lot of problems in a lot of games with his play calling - this one included. The bigger problem, however, and consequently, the bigger share of blame, is subpar personnel - in this case, an O Line that AGAIN was unable to generate even a small amount of push. I blame Ted Thompson for that, the same as I blame Ted for overall personnel that is less than it should be surrounding our world's greatest QB. John Schneider has done better; Hell, Jerry Fricken Jones has done a better job. Aaron Rodgers has almost singlehandedly made Ted's reputation as a good GM. I guess we could say the same, though, for Mike McCarthy.
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PackFanWithTwins
10 years ago

Try to sneak your injured QB with a weak calf to drive off of? That's the smart play? Just what sort of innovative play do you suggest drawing up on the goal line? Pull your guards? Run to the corner against one of the fastest back 7 in football?

We're so eager to find someone to blame. You're trying to gain 12 inches. This isn't rocket science. Put in some bulldozers and hope for the best. We were out bulldozed, that's it. You'd sure as shit hope your offensive line can pull it off, and they didn't. Such is life, move on. The Packers still could have won despite this.

Originally Posted by: musccy 



You mean the QB who ran a sneak on that very same injured calf against DET? As I said, after going heavy and missing, lining up the same an the only difference being giving the ball to the RB rather than FB is not being creative. Take Tretter and Taylor back out, spread the defense and put Rodgers in shotgun. Teams normally don't line a player up head on the C when Rodgers is in shotgun. So have Rodgers move up like he is calling out a change in protection, only to slip back under C and take a quick snap for a sneak. He only needed to get a foot.
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musccy
10 years ago

Mike's teams are consistently less than the sum of their parts.

If the players weren't any good, it would be one thing. But he's got talent to work with. It's just that these are talented players who are shitting themselves.

And I'm sorry, but that IS on the coach.

Originally Posted by: nerdmann 



Can you please tell me how:

1) Burnett's slide
2) Bostick's blunder
3) HaHa's 2 point...

...have anything to do with coaching. I don't want to hear something about "shitting themselves" or precedence. What was Mike supposed to do to prevent those plays or what, specifically, did he do to CAUSE those plays, each of which very likely could have sealed a Packer victory.
K_Buz
10 years ago
I thought the O Line was great the last couple games...did Seattle even have a sack today? The run game has been very productive other than in goal line situations. When is the last time we play actioned on 1st and goal from inside the 3 like Dallas did to us last week?
PackFanWithTwins
10 years ago

I thought the O Line was great the last couple games...did Seattle even have a sack today? The run game has been very productive other than in goal line situations. When is the last time we play actioned on 1st and goal from inside the 3 like Dallas did to us last week?

Originally Posted by: K_Buz 



Next to no play action since Rodgers injury. For play action to really work, he needed to be under C and they wanted to keep him in the gun because it puts less stress on his calf.
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DakotaT
10 years ago

Can you please tell me how:

1) Burnett's slide
2) Bostick's blunder
3) HaHa's 2 point...

...have anything to do with coaching. I don't want to hear something about "shitting themselves" or precedence. What was Mike supposed to do to prevent those plays or what, specifically, did he do to CAUSE those plays, each of which very likely could have sealed a Packer victory.

Originally Posted by: musccy 



16 points off 4 turnovers is pretty unacceptable! Why don't you throw in the 10 points Rodgers left on the field in that list too: two picks in field goal range and the wide errant pass to Jordy for another 4 points. I understand he is our best player, but he is not exempt from criticism. At the end of the day, blame goes to the coach, always!
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musccy
10 years ago

You mean the QB who ran a sneak on that very same injured calf against DET? As I said, after going heavy and missing, lining up the same an the only difference being giving the ball to the RB rather than FB is not being creative. Take Tretter and Taylor back out, spread the defense and put Rodgers in shotgun. Teams normally don't line a player up head on the C when Rodgers is in shotgun. So have Rodgers move up like he is calling out a change in protection, only to slip back under C and take a quick snap for a sneak. He only needed to get a foot.

Originally Posted by: PackFanWithTwins 



The sneak was called by Aaron, near the end of the game to seal chances of getting a 2 week break for his calf and the team. These situations are early in the game against one of the best defenses in history. Different circumstances.

If Kuhn's elbow touches 3 inches later, there isn't a PEEP about this. Just because it didn't work doesn't make it dumb. We have the benefit of hours to second guess a play. Mike has seconds.

You said it yourself, they were trying to gain a FOOT. No need for cute, just cram it down their throats. It didn't work. That's execution.
musccy
10 years ago

16 points off 4 turnovers is pretty unacceptable! Why don't you throw in the 10 points Rodgers left on the field in that list too: two picks in field goal range and the wide errant pass to Jordy for another 4 points. I understand he is our best player, but he is not exempt from criticism. At the end of the day, blame goes to the coach, always!

Originally Posted by: DakotaT 



Add Starks' drop to the mix.

My point in stressing these three plays is because that no matter what coaching/player gaffes preceded them, any one of those 3 still could have ended the game. I'm not trying to single out those 3 as the reason for the loss, just that they're clear examples of what could have won the game (or optimized chances) if players executed.
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