Rodgers a Franchise QB?

dhazer
Veteran Member Topic Starter

16 years ago

DH, a franchise q/b in my mind is one that you can build your team around..

I also think that is how Porky views it and many other people too

"longtimefan" wrote:

I understand that i judge mine done by performance of 3-4 years, i geuss i have seen to many one year wonders get the big bucks and then flop after. So hope you can see from my side. It will be interesting to see how Rodgers and Cassell do after getting huge money for 1 season. I will give Cassell a little time he has nothing in KC where i actually expect alot from Rodgers with all his weapons he has.

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longtimefan
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16 years ago

DH, a franchise q/b in my mind is one that you can build your team around..

I also think that is how Porky views it and many other people too

"dhazer" wrote:

"longtimefan" wrote:

Shouldn't allow money to make a judgment on if a q/b is a franchise or not

Should be if the team feels that they have the q/b for YEARS, which is what the Packers and others feel Rodgers is.

Just as KC feels Cassel is

porky88
Veteran Member

16 years ago

Im still stuck on Porky's comment. How can you call a qb a franchise qb when they started for 1 year? Wouldn't that make Cassell a franchise qb, or Flacco, hell even JP Losman would be a franchise qb. He may become a franchise qb but i won't call him that after one year thats just plain ridiculous.

Also you guys rate the drafts from the starters we get, well hell when you don't have any decent players for those spots, doesn't that mean someone has to start?

"dhazer" wrote:

None of those quarterbacks put up the numbers Rodgers did or played as well. Maybe Matt Cassel. It's hard to debunk a quarterback when he throws for 28 touchdowns and 4.000 yards.

I consider Matt Ryan Atlanta's franchise quarterback so it would be inconsistent not to consider Aaron Rodgers Green Bay's franchise quarterback.

Rodgers by all accounts is this team's franchises quarterback. Perhaps in three seasons the draft will be an F because Rodgers will be out of the league. Unlikely, but you never know.

At this point in time though Rodgers is one of the better young quarterbacks in the league. He still has work to do, but I think he's probably here for several more seasons to come.

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Zero2Cool
Elite Member

16 years ago

It's hard to debunk a quarterback when he throws for 28 touchdowns and 4.000 yards.

"porky88" wrote:

Unless you're a Ted Hatorade and Favre Loverade type, then it's easy peazy.

dhazer
Veteran Member Topic Starter

16 years ago

Well guys look at these stats

4301 yds 24 tds 8 ints -mb

4014 yds 17 tds 10 ints -tg

4038 yds 28 tds 13 ints - a r

4717 yds 39 tds 11 ints - dc

3324 yds 19tds 7 ints -dm

now would all those numbers make these qbs franchise qbs?

Just Imagine this for the next 6-9 years. What a ride it will be 🙂 (PS, Zero should charge for this)

TengoJuego
Rookie

16 years ago

I don't see what you are getting at D.

You don't only take into account numbers when talking about a franchise player(QB in this case). Aaron proved he could step in and be the leader. He proved his ability to run the offense.

Matt Ryan stepped in and did the same. Matt Cassel rose to fill some pretty big shoes out in NE. Sure he had all the pieces BUT he too had something to do with it. He had the moxie, HE made the passes, and HE led the offense.

Franchise Player is an athlete who is not simply the best player on their team, but a player that the team can build their franchise around for the foreseeable future.

Rockmolder
Honored Member

16 years ago

Except for the last one, yes, just looking at the stats sololy. They don't awalys say everything.

Also, Cassel had an amazing team combined with the fact that he's not a franchise QB just yet. I mean, he's playing on a completely different team that can't be compared to the team he is on now. If he succeeds this year, then yes, I will consider him a franchise QB.

I still think he's overrated and will fail in KC though, but we'll see.

And lets keep this thread 'railed' again aswell.

dhazer
Veteran Member Topic Starter

16 years ago

Here are the qbs i listed and lets see if you still think they are franchise qbs Rock.

4301 yds 24 tds 8 ints -Marc Bulger

4014 yds 17 tds 10 ints -Trent Green

4038 yds 28 tds 13 ints - ar

4717 yds 39 tds 11 ints - Dante Culpepper

3324 yds 19tds 7 ints -Donovan Mcnabb

Kind of funny that the only real franchise qb on there is the last one.

and Tengo what i'm getting at is give the guys a few years before you throw the franchise player tag to them. Not after 1 year.

Just Imagine this for the next 6-9 years. What a ride it will be 🙂 (PS, Zero should charge for this)

TengoJuego
Rookie

16 years ago

Correct me if I'm wrong, but weren't all of those guys with those teams/cities for quite some time? All having some form of success? Well...not so much Green. But you get me...right?

dhazer
Veteran Member Topic Starter

16 years ago

#10

yes they were with there teams for a few years but they havent won anything. 2 of them were traded away from their teams and Bulger has had maybe 2 good years. Thus i say give them time before you call them a franchise qb. This isn't meant to be a cut on Rodgers i'm actually trying to say give the kid a few years before you add more pressure to him. After all remember Ryan Leaf was the Chargers franchise qb and he cracked under the pressure. Just let the kid play before claiming his greatness.

Just Imagine this for the next 6-9 years. What a ride it will be 🙂 (PS, Zero should charge for this)

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