Pack93z
16 years ago

Cassell = Brady went down, fans knew he was coming back, did what he had to and did well
Rodgers = perception is the Packers chose HIM over the face of the franchise


Cassell and Rodgers, completely different pressures put on them. I highly doubt some little kid went up to Cassell during practice, flipped him off and said 'fuck you'.

Cassells predecessor was injured and would be returning. Fans knew this, everyone knew this.
Rodgers predecessor retired and unretired, leaving lots of uncertainty.



Rodgers got his chance because the former QB retired.
Cassell got his chance because the incumbent starter was lost for the 1 year.

"Zero2Cool" wrote:



Wait, didn't Brady suffer a staph infection? Didn't he under go another surgery and the time table for his possible return remain in question up past the point where the Pats franchised Cassell?

Ask LeCharles Bentley how his return from staph infection played out and impacted his career.

Oh and don't forget that the Pats were coming off a SuperBowl appearance with the same team and were expected to make another run before the Brady injury?

Disagree.. Cassell didn't have more pressure but probably didn't face less either.

Remember I like Rodgers and have as happy as a pig in slop that he is our QB for the next several years at this very point.. but to hand him more kudos than he deserves isn't free from a homeristic view either.

I like the future.. but haven't we learned yet that over idolizing players turns around an burns you at times.
"The oranges are dry; the apples are mealy; and the papayas... I don't know what's going on with the papayas!"
Zero2Cool
16 years ago
Idolizing? Who is idolizing Rodgers here?

Cassell had different pressure than Rodgers from the fans. To me, that's easy to see and acknowledge.

Cassell had expectations, but no where near that of Rodgers in the sense the latter had to live up to a freaking legend and face of the franchise who was perceived to be run out of town. Cassell had to replace the face of his franchise for one season.

Yes, the Patriots were coming off a Super Bowl, the same one that the Packers were ONE score away from playing in as well!




You want me to ask LeCharles a question? Once you give me his number, I'll get on that. I'll ask him if he wants to play Madden too and I'll whoop up on him!! 😛
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Pack93z
16 years ago

Probably right around the time he told us to hop on board and shut up. ;)

"Zero2Cool" wrote:



I dont feel I need to sell myself to the fans. They need to get on board now or keep their mouths shut. -- Aaron Rodgers

Do you even know the context this was said? Do you know what was discussed prior to this comment? I'm not saying it was right, not at all, but to hold this grudge a year later for a man who made a mistake I think is kind of petty. Albeit, funny. 🙂 I'm thinking you're leaning more on the funny side of it rather than holding a grudge.

Rodgers would later say this in regards to the quote ...

"The hardest thing today and I've been pretty bummed out, to be honest is that I honestly care about the fans. I do. They make the team go," Rodgers said. "Hopefully our fans know how I really feel about them. Hopefully they think about the interactions I've had with them. I can't think of a single time where I've had a negative experience with a fan. That's my biggest fear that people look at (the quote) and say, 'The guy's arrogant, he hasn't done anything yet.' I realize that I haven't done anything yet. I've played one good game in the NFL in three years, and otherwise I've been a backup. I don't expect anyone to give me anything. I just don't want this quote to come off arrogant or as negative towards our fans.

"I'm going to let each individual search their own heart and let them decide what they think the question was or what questions were asked (to lead to the quote). To break down the quote as best as I can, the message I wanted to get out was, 'Let's move past myself, because it's not about me. Let's get on board with the Green Bay Packers of 2008.' I know the fans will cheer me or boo me depending on how I play. But let's not make it (only) about me, even though I'm at the most scrutinized position on field."

"pack93z" wrote:



Yes more so the funny side than anything.. and yes I know the context of the discussion around it. Hence why I used it.. Aaron wasn't allowing that to add pressure to himself.. exactly countering this "implied" pressure we are claiming in this very thread.

But to your point.. yes I still didn't like the quote a year later.. but it isn't like I despise the dude for saying it.. just words. Kind of like the claimed "shtick" of his last interview. ;)

I cheer out players on with the best of them, but I also don't buy into the theory that we can't criticize them either when they step out of line. Never really understood why we can't be critical of these players yet still follow through with a full measure of support of their play.
"The oranges are dry; the apples are mealy; and the papayas... I don't know what's going on with the papayas!"
Pack93z
16 years ago


Just one "Young First Year Starter" as an NFL QB, who has gone through more bull shit, fish bowl-looking glass, playing field, locker room scrutiny, hell hole opportunity, to make a first time, first year impression, that put up the numbers and stats that Aaron put up last year.

"RaiderPride" wrote:



This is the crux of the argument.. how much BS you really believe Aaron endured outside the the pressure of following a legend.

Aaron was announced the starter after the retirement and from that very point forward was treated by the franchise and the team as the starter. All the quotes of players from last season support that, the words from MM and Ted hammer it home.

So now we are down to the media and the fans.

The media.. I think every QB following a legend has that same pressure on them.. albeit that none that I can think of had said legend wanting his job back. Wait.. maybe we have seen this before, Young and Montana.. injury basically opened the door for Young to take over.. and the Niners did trade away a legend to boot. But Cassell had to walk in the mighty shadow as well..

Now we are down to the fans.. and minus the few that flung needless insults at the practices I think his interaction with the fans wasn't as bad as it is made out to be... question that, think back to the overwhelming cheers that Rodgers received on the opening weekend against Minnesota...

So really.. is there this overwhelming negative stigma surrounding Rodgers from the majority of the Packer fan? Not in my opinion... at least not anymore than the normal player receives....

Let me be clear.. I think there were some special circumstances surrounding the transition but I wouldn't say they were overwhelming to a player that was deemed ready by the franchise.
"The oranges are dry; the apples are mealy; and the papayas... I don't know what's going on with the papayas!"
warhawk
16 years ago
I think one of the most underscored sports stories of last year is what Rodgers did in that first game when he had millions of people watching and a very split citizenship on whether or not he should have even been the starting QB in that game.

When a guy can perform like that under those conditions all I can say is a lot of what he may face will be a walk in the park compared to what it must have felt like under center for that first snap.
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Pack93z
16 years ago

I think one of the most underscored sports stories of last year is what Rodgers did in that first game when he had millions of people watching and a very split citizenship on whether or not he should have even been the starting QB in that game.

When a guy can perform like that under those conditions all I can say is a lot of what he may face will be a walk in the park compared to what it must have felt like under center for that first snap.

"warhawk" wrote:



This I will agree to... but beyond that first game was it really extraordinary?
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dd80forever
16 years ago


Just one "Young First Year Starter" as an NFL QB, who has gone through more bull shit, fish bowl-looking glass, playing field, locker room scrutiny, hell hole opportunity, to make a first time, first year impression, that put up the numbers and stats that Aaron put up last year.

"pack93z" wrote:



This is the crux of the argument.. how much BS you really believe Aaron endured outside the the pressure of following a legend.

Aaron was announced the starter after the retirement and from that very point forward was treated by the franchise and the team as the starter. All the quotes of players from last season support that, the words from Mike McCarthy and Ted hammer it home.

So now we are down to the media and the fans.

The media.. I think every QB following a legend has that same pressure on them.. albeit that none that I can think of had said legend wanting his job back. Wait.. maybe we have seen this before, Young and Montana.. injury basically opened the door for Young to take over.. and the Niners did trade away a legend to boot. But Cassell had to walk in the mighty shadow as well..

Now we are down to the fans.. and minus the few that flung needless insults at the practices I think his interaction with the fans wasn't as bad as it is made out to be... question that, think back to the overwhelming cheers that Rodgers received on the opening weekend against Minnesota...

So really.. is there this overwhelming negative stigma surrounding Rodgers from the majority of the Packer fan? Not in my opinion... at least not anymore than the normal player receives....

Let me be clear.. I think there were some special circumstances surrounding the transition but I wouldn't say they were overwhelming to a player that was deemed ready by the franchise.

"RaiderPride" wrote:




Spot on......great post
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dd80forever
16 years ago
The pressure Rodgers faced was from a percentage of fans not anyone inside the organization.

All Qb's have a fair amount of fans that do not like them and are critical.

It seems many had a view of what it was going to be like for the QB that replaced Brett long before it happened. However, when the moment came it wasn't NEARLY as bad as we thought it would be. Having a 12 year old kid tell you "you suck" is nothing compared to a complete stadium booing you, which many QB's have faced.


A-Rod is this organizations golden boy. He has had nothing but support from them. If "pressure" is having a percentage of fans not liking you, every QB in the NFL is under pressure.


Cassel was fighting for a job. Some other QB's don't have 3 years to learn the system. Others don't get to observe a first ballot hall-of-famer.

What's more pressure?

Getting your neighbors to like you OR working a job that can be pulled out from underneath you at anytime?
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go.pack.go.
16 years ago


A-Rod is this organizations golden boy. He has had nothing but support from them. If "pressure" is having a percentage of fans not liking you, every QB in the NFL is under pressure.

"dd80forever" wrote:



Well I don't know of many organizations that do NOT support their QB. If they didn't then they would be complete idiots, because they would get nowhere.
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dd80forever
16 years ago


A-Rod is this organizations golden boy. He has had nothing but support from them. If "pressure" is having a percentage of fans not liking you, every QB in the NFL is under pressure.

"go.pack.go." wrote:



Well I don't know of many organizations that do NOT support their QB. If they didn't then they would be complete idiots, because they would get nowhere.

"dd80forever" wrote:




Yes they support their starter, some more than others. Look at the Derek Anderson, Brady Quinn thing.


Backups don't get the same loyalty, most have to scrap and claw to catch on. Being handed a starting job and earning one are entirely different things. I'm not knocking A-Rod for being handed a job but I sure don't feel sorry for him "pressure-wise".
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