Yeah.. When you guys look at it from a business standpoint and view people as tools, you guys are absolutely correct.

Problem is, NFL players are people. Humans. And, I know it's REALLY shocking, but they have emotions.

It's the equivalent of a guy that pours his blood, sweat and tears into a corporation, reaches the CEO type ranks, and then gets dumped for a less expensive young guy. Forgotten all the late nights, missed time away from family, countless of un-cashed in sick hours, etc.. None of it mattered. You better believe that former CEO and his family are going to be 'biased'. They were black-balled and crapped on.

EDIT: The above isn't my stance.. it's the opposite of Cheesey's and MassPackFan's view. I post it to bring both sides of the story to the table. Claiming the above as my view will garner you nothing but ignorance now that I added this disclaimer. You've been warned. 🙂

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Ah, but that's not the whole story, is it Formo?

In any case,

"all the late nights, missed time away from family, countless of un-cashed in sick hours, etc.."

And if doing that means I get paid $12 million a year, I'll certainly sign up for such hardship!

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It's more like them hiring another young management type who could eventually rise up the ranks. No dumping involved. Actually the comparison gets even worse if you factor in the retirements, talk of retirement preceding that, etc... :lol: How DARE they! And how DARE you compare a game to a business.

I hate to say this... but I miss the good old days of Vikings fans despising Favre and everything about him. I feel like I'm in the Twilight Zone with a Vikings fan playing Devil's Advocate in order to make us think outside the box regarding Favre's behavior.

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What's the point of having all that money if you don't have any time to spend it?

Sorry, I'll take $50k a year if that means I don't have to go to any workplace over $12 million a year and lose that time. 🙂

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I'd take the $12 mill a year for a few years, because I know it'd pay off in spades time-wise later on in my life. I mean... the dude is 40. You have people who are 70 years old now and not able to retire.

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Hey, I didn't compare the game to a business... You and Cheesey brought up that viewpoint. I just made the correlation. And the dumping WAS involved after the nondiscript pressure of the retirement.

My whole point of playing the Devil's Advocate is to force you guys to realize that it isn't JUST a business, just as it's not JUST a game. It's a combination of the two. People need to stop being surprised at the fact that NFL players show emotion, and have emotional responses to certain affairs that occur in their careers. That's all.

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If you are a single guy, or your family is just you and your wife, then I can agree.

But, you can't buy back any sort of lost time when you miss your child's first steps, or have any sort of impact on some of their most important years of their development.

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Well said, Formo (even if it isn't your position.)

I hate the "it's just business" bullshit. Business doesn't require you to ignore the psychology of things. Sure, you make decisions that are hard. You have to. I get all that.

But to turn around and say, "I don't understand why they're taking things so personal." That oughta be seen as bullshit, as insensitive, as unacceptably ignorant, or some combination thereof. People don't put in 16 serious years in anything without getting emotionally invested.

Rationally we can all say "I understand" when someone says "we're going in a new direction". But put in that kind of time and there's a lot of other stuff that's going to be tugging at you. A lot more stuff that you (and those closest to you, who are also emotionally invested over that same time) are going to "take personal."

Going from 50K to 12000K doesn't make it less personal.

Yeah, I'd rather have a job paying 12 million that sucks than have a job paying 50K that sucks. But if after 16 years my employer starts saying things that suggest I'm not all that important after all, if my job starts sucking in a way that it didn't used to, right or wrong, I'm still going to take it personal if he's paying me 12 mil.

When I see people hassle Favre (or his family) for their emotional reaction -- I wonder whether they've been lucky enough never to have had to spend time in a an employee/employer relationship that has gone toxic. I haven't.

Personally, for some time now I've thought Favre a prima donna. But "taking it personal" -- that's something that could happen regardless of how prima donnaish or spoiled Favre had been. Something that could happen whether or not it was deserved. And in real life does. All the time.

I admire the heck out of people who, after a long period with an organization find themselves out on the street, can handle it with equanimity.

But I don't expect it to happen very often.

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i just gave my notice at my job yesterday so i can spend more time with my family. did i feel guilty? hell yes i did! it IS personal.

my bosses assured me that everything would be fine & even told me that anytime i needed a job, i had one there. i only worked for them part time for 6 months & i STILL feel guilty!

then again, i am a girl. ;)

edit: i'm saying it's personal on both sides of the issue, btw.

I guess I can see him taking it personally when they drafted Rodgers, but couldn't he see the writing on the wall? They had no future backup to replace him if he retired. It had to happen sometime.

I wasn't really arguing about Rodgers taking over. Of course that situation was very emotional for everyone involved. I was talking about the drafting of Rodgers when he fell into our lap at #24. It was a no-brainer pick and Favre I guess didn't see it that way.

I don't remember, but did Favre announce his intentions to play before that 2005 draft?

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