Trade for Manziel?· Page 2

mi_keys
Senior Member

9 years ago

Not worth a pick. His arm is meh. His athleticism isn't really top end. He's shown nothing so far. I didn't like him last year and I don't like him this year. I hope I'm wrong and he works out for Cleveland because that town is starved for nfl success. But I don't think he'll amount to much.

That aside, we trade for him and his contract is up in 3 years? Rodgers is 31. Barring a career ending injury, he's signed through 5 more seasons and I could see him playing a few years beyond that. We've got guys like Brady and Manning that are 6-8 years older and still playing at a high level. Are you really going to trade for a guy that's shown nothing and may well never see the field before his contract is up?

Those resources are better served elsewhere.

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uffda udfa
Veteran Member Topic Starter

9 years ago

#12

Originally Posted by: mi_keys

I would prefer when Aaron gets hurt, which is a lot, that we have a legit shot of winning when he goes down. I love Scott Tolzien's arm, but he doesn't have the IT factor Johnny does. A rough first year for a QB in the NFL? You don't say... I've never seen such a thing.

Ted Thompson sits on his hands per former GM: "because they’ve had 25 fricking years of great quarterbacks. Of course it works. Try it without a special quarterback."

Zero2Cool
Elite Member

9 years ago

#13

I would prefer when Aaron gets hurt, which is a lot, that we have a legit shot of winning when he goes down.

Originally Posted by: uffda udfa

Since becoming the starter he has missed one game in 2010 due to concussion, seven games in 2013 due to broken collarbone. Maybe you're implying when he had a bum leg you would have rather he sit down a game or two and fully heal for the playoff run? Although, Rodgers said that wouldn't have been enough time.

mi_keys
Senior Member

9 years ago

#14

Originally Posted by: uffda udfa

Let me guess, Favre right? Do I get a prize?

Is "it factor" a euphemism for sizzle that has no substance anywhere in sight?

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uffda udfa
Veteran Member Topic Starter

9 years ago

#15

Let me guess, Favre right? Do I get a prize?

Is "it factor" a euphemism for sizzle that has no substance anywhere in sight?

Originally Posted by: mi_keys

He's among several...Aikman, Peyton, etc.

Manziel has no substance? What? The guy sucked as a rookie because he flat out didn't care about putting the work in to be a professional QB...even ones like Aikman and Peyton, who did, struggled mightily year one. Yes, he's off to a poor start but that is not unlike many before him. He's night and day per Joe Thomas last year to this.

Would LOVE to see us pull that trigger on him. Last thing I want is Ted Thompson using anymore of his draft picks trying to be the smartest guy in the room, again.

Ted Thompson sits on his hands per former GM: "because they’ve had 25 fricking years of great quarterbacks. Of course it works. Try it without a special quarterback."

mi_keys
Senior Member

9 years ago

#16

Originally Posted by: uffda udfa

Peyton set the record for touchdowns as a rookie. He was 3rd in the NFL in yards that year and 5th in touchdowns. Not remotely comparable.

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Grabacr
Member

9 years ago

#17

Manziel is not a Packer Person. Although moving to GB would take him away from the distractions of a bigger city!

Personally I dont see his production reaching anywhere near his projected potential. Avoid like the plague!

uffda udfa
Veteran Member Topic Starter

9 years ago

#18

Peyton set the record for touchdowns as a rookie. He was 3rd in the NFL in yards that year and 5th in touchdowns. Not remotely comparable.

Originally Posted by: mi_keys

Manning threw 28 picks and had a completion % of 56.7 with a 71.2 passer rating...yeah, he was just electric as a rookie.

We all know Peyton put a ton of work in to put up the above numbers and started all 16 games. Manziel didn't start hardly at all and wasn't focused like Manning. Now, Manziel is focused. The guy was a 1st round pick last year and one of the most exciting college QB's to ever play. He even flashed in the NFL during his 1st action vs. Buffalo where our HOF QB sucked.

Ted Thompson sits on his hands per former GM: "because they’ve had 25 fricking years of great quarterbacks. Of course it works. Try it without a special quarterback."

mi_keys
Senior Member

9 years ago

#19

Originally Posted by: uffda udfa

Yes, Manning threw all those picks. And there's still light years between what he did his rookie year and what Manziel did. Manning showed tastes of what he could become at various points throughout the year. And you make it sound like Manning showing dedication to his job should be a knock on him. I personally prefer to see that in a QB.

So far, Manziel's resume is one drive against a defense playing soft with a late three score lead, bombing his chance as the starter, being a sideshow distraction, and ending up in rehab. As I said, I didn't like him as a prospect coming in last year. I haven't seen anything that would change my opinion.

I don't think he can read a defense. I don't think his arm strength is anything to write home about. I think his pocket presence is lacking. And it's all well and good that Joe Thomas said he's working harder but I'll wait to see it carry over into an NFL season before taking the first positive sign that he maybe is turning it around and assume all his maturity issues have just vanished.

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voiceofreason2.0
Rookie

9 years ago

#20

Trade a pick for Johnny Football? Not even a 7th. Not ever.

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