dyeah_gb
8 years ago

All I saw was Janis make plays where he had a very simple route to run. This offense doesn't rely on simple routes; it is a read and react offense that requires precision, timing, and knowing what A-Rod is seeing and thinking.

Janis showed on a couple of occasions that is not his cup of tea. Janis had a wonderful game tonight, and stepped up HUGE. He deserves more reps to gain experience.

But he still has a ways to go. That said, when we absolutely needed him at WR, he stepped up. He also stepped up as a special teams player.

At this stage given what we have seen, I think it would be foolish to count out Janis eventually having a role at WR for us. He's earned the benefit of the doubt after this season.

Originally Posted by: all_about_da_packers 



I agree with what you said here but I want Mike McCarthy and OC fired if Janis and Abby were not starting during the regular season because the offense doesn't rely on simple routes. Packers were stuck without Jordy Nelson and Ty Montgomery and should have adjusted to the talent that was available on the offense. I think yesterday's game showed that if they simplified the game plan, the pack could have avoided the historically bad offense toward the end of the regular season.
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Zero2Cool
8 years ago
(0:55 - 4th) (Shotgun) A.Rodgers pass deep left to J.Janis to ARZ 36 for 60 yards (T.Jefferson)
(0:00 - 4th) Jeff Janis Pass From Aaron Rodgers for 41 Yrds

I'm pretty sure receiving 101 yards in one drive has not been done often, if ever before, lol.

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uffda udfa
8 years ago

(0:55 - 4th) (Shotgun) A.Rodgers pass deep left to J.Janis to ARZ 36 for 60 yards (T.Jefferson)
(0:00 - 4th) Jeff Janis Pass From Aaron Rodgers for 41 Yrds

I'm pretty sure receiving 101 yards in one drive has not been done often, if ever before, lol.

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 



Janis would've been canonized for all time had we won the game. Too bad for him.

Here's our brilliant HC on JJ after the game:

“He’s just a young man that needs to play." Gee, MM, thanks for playing him during the regular season when our offense was detestable. He makes two big plays vs. SD and then gets relegated to the pine.

Will NEVER understand playing James Jones over Jeff Janis. 50 catches, James. 50. 3 a game...while a guy who makes huge plays and has speed just sits and watches a guy putt it out on the 18th with no shot at winning.

I like what Michael Rodney said of Packersnotes.com... Janis and Abby were probably an upgrade over Cobb and Adams. By the looks of the O yesterday vs. most of the season it's kinda hard to disagree not that it was fantastic yesterday.

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nerdmann
8 years ago

Janis would've been canonized for all time had we won the game. Too bad for him.

Here's our brilliant HC on JJ after the game:

“He’s just a young man that needs to play." Gee, MM, thanks for playing him during the regular season when our offense was detestable. He makes two big plays vs. SD and then gets relegated to the pine.

Will NEVER understand playing James Jones over Jeff Janis. 50 catches, James. 50. 3 a game...while a guy who makes huge plays and has speed just sits and watches a guy putt it out on the 18th with no shot at winning.

I like what Michael Rodney said of Packersnotes.com... Janis and Abby were probably an upgrade over Cobb and Adams. By the looks of the O yesterday vs. most of the season it's kinda hard to disagree not that it was fantastic yesterday.

Originally Posted by: uffda udfa 



If Janis could do that consistently, he would have been playing that entire time.

They tried to get him in there a number of times during the regular season, if you'll recall. Dude couldn't catch a cold. Finally they figured out that he needs to be facing the QB, and they worked around that. He did OK, but if you can't figure out why Jones started over Janis... Well, we all know how smart you are. 🤣
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uffda udfa
8 years ago

If Janis could do that consistently, he would have been playing that entire time.

They tried to get him in there a number of times during the regular season, if you'll recall. Dude couldn't catch a cold. Finally they figured out that he needs to be facing the QB, and they worked around that. He did OK, but if you can't figure out why Jones started over Janis... Well, we all know how smart you are. 🤣

Originally Posted by: nerdmann 



I would counter that Abbrederis needed to play more, too, but didn't. Why? Same reason Janis didn't.

Honestly, how many opportunities did Janis get vs. Davante Adams? Davante did nil with his opportunities. 17 was targeted 21 times one game. Was Janis targeted 21 times all regular season? Nope...not even close. So, your contention he was given opportunities is a fallacy. He wasn't.

Davante was targeted 92 times on the season. Produced 1 TD and less than 500 yards. That's P A T H E T I C. Davante was targeted TWENTY ONE TIMES vs. Detroit. That's 9 more than Janis had all season. Davante produced 79 yards on those 21 targets. Janis produced that many yards on four targets vs. SD.

Janis was targeted 12 times all regular season. 11 in the Cardinals playoff game.

You tell me why we played Davante and James as much as we did and ignored Jeff Janis? Your answer for why Janis didn't play used in the context of why Davante did play makes no sense.
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nerdmann
8 years ago

I would counter that Abbrederis needed to play more, too, but didn't. Why? Same reason Janis didn't.

Honestly, how many opportunities did Janis get vs. Davante Adams? Davante did nil with his opportunities. 17 was targeted 21 times one game. Was Janis targeted 21 times all regular season? Nope...not even close. So, your contention he was given opportunities is a fallacy. He wasn't.

Davante was targeted 92 times on the season. Produced 1 TD and less than 500 yards. That's P A T H E T I C. Davante was targeted TWENTY ONE TIMES vs. Detroit. That's 9 more than Janis had all season. Davante produced 79 yards on those 21 targets. Janis produced that many yards on four targets vs. SD.

Janis was targeted 12 times all regular season. 11 in the Cardinals playoff game.

You tell me why we played Davante and James as much as we did and ignored Jeff Janis? Your answer for why Janis didn't play used in the context of why Davante did play makes no sense.

Originally Posted by: uffda udfa 



We get it, you're obsessed with Janis.

Fact is, he got more opportunity than Abbrederis, but he is unable to catch the ball unless facing the QB. He did look better in this game, but that is dude to 1 Aaron once again using proper mechanics and 2 continued practice and development as a player.

Hopefully by TC, he will be adequate to get even more playing time.

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uffda udfa
8 years ago

We get it, you're obsessed with Janis.

Fact is, he got more opportunity than Abbrederis, but he is unable to catch the ball unless facing the QB. He did look better in this game, but that is dude to 1 Aaron once again using proper mechanics and 2 continued practice and development as a player.

Hopefully by TC, he will be adequate to get even more playing time.

Originally Posted by: nerdmann 



Zero obsession. You make crazy unfounded assertions all the time and then just drop them when confronted with the fallacy of your arguments. The labels you throw out are as tired as your expletives.

I asked some simple things in reply to your (wrong) assertion that Janis had his opportunities. I asked why Davante continued getting his when he did nothing with the ones he was getting. Those are simple and more than fair questions only to be greeted by your incorrect personal characterizations followed by your wrong football characterizations.

My "obsession" with Janis applies equally to Abbrederis. BOTH should've been playing much more than they were and getting opportunities. Aaron even lobbied for Abby and he got ZERO snaps the following game. I do think Aaron isn't particularly fond of Janis for whatever the reason but Janis makes plays James Jones and Davante Adams can't and can only dream about.

Oh, and for the record, not Nerd speak, Abby had MORE opportunity than Janis...he had more targets during the regular season. 16 to 12. Abby was injured for a portion of the season while Janis was not but to you Abby got less opportunity. Incorrect. 0-3 in your reply.

Both should've had gotten more of the targets that went to Davante Adams and James Jones.
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nerdmann
8 years ago

Zero obsession. You make crazy unfounded assertions all the time and then just drop them when confronted with the fallacy of your arguments. The labels you throw out are as tired as your expletives.

I asked some simple things in reply to your (wrong) assertion that Janis had his opportunities. I asked why Davante continued getting his when he did nothing with the ones he was getting. Those are simple and more than fair questions only to be greeted by your incorrect personal characterizations followed by your wrong football characterizations.

My "obsession" with Janis applies equally to Abbrederis. BOTH should've been playing much more than they were and getting opportunities. Aaron even lobbied for Abby and he got ZERO snaps the following game. I do think Aaron isn't particularly fond of Janis for whatever the reason but Janis makes plays James Jones and Davante Adams can't and can only dream about.

Oh, and for the record, not Nerd speak, Abby had MORE opportunity than Janis...he had more targets during the regular season. 16 to 12. Abby was injured for a portion of the season while Janis was not but to you Abby got less opportunity. Incorrect. 0-3 in your reply.

Both should've had gotten more of the targets that went to Davante Adams and James Jones.

Originally Posted by: uffda udfa 



Abby got more time, because he's a better football player. They were trying to force Janis in there, but he clearly was not ready. Earlier this season, Janis was a drop machine.
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uffda udfa
8 years ago

Abby got more time, because he's a better football player. They were trying to force Janis in there, but he clearly was not ready. Earlier this season, Janis was a drop machine.

Originally Posted by: nerdmann 



A drop machine? Nerd... post after post after post you post flat out wrong information. It's more than a trend with you. Honestly, where are you coming up with the things you post? Clearly, you're just making things up.

Would you like to know how many drops Janis had? ONE.

Abby certainly might be a better football player but he doesn't have what Janis has as far as size, strength and speed.




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PackFanWithTwins
8 years ago
Just my guess. But the reason I think Janis didn't get the snaps or opportunities has less to do with route running or being able to catch. I believe it had to do with blocking. WR on this team need to be able to block and Janis didn't have that experience coming in. Abberderis did so it was easier for him to bust into the lineup once healthy.
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