wpr
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4 years ago

Yeah....the Lions played SOOOO great! 5 field goals.....not touchdowns.
Plus as was shown, the first hands to the face was verified.
I understand Sanders though. All his years wasted...I mean, playing for the lowly Lions. He wants to see them win SOMETHING while he’s still alive.

Originally Posted by: Cheesey 



I used to feel this way but as I watch games you just don't see a receiver who is going to break away from the defender when the defender close enough for a PI penalty in order to prevent a big play. They do happen but it's not typical.

Do defenders grab the receiver? Yes all the time. Is it 20, 30 or 40 yards down field? No it's within 10-15 yards of the LOS. That's where the double moves come in. Is there PI 20,30 yards down field? Yes but the defender has to be within an arms length of the receiver to PI. I am ok with DPI being a 5 or 10 yards penalty and automatic 1st down.

I guess we can look to the college game as a reference. I don't watch many college games but I don't see the abuse you are concerned about being a major issue.
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yooperfan
4 years ago
One Packers fan, a Yooper from Iron Mountain Michigan, didn't fare so well when he was in Green Bay for the Loins game.
He was refused service in the 1919 because he was too inebriated at which time he started verbally assaulted staff.
They called the Police and when they arrived he physically assaulted the police officers trying to bite one on the leg.
When they got him in the squad car he kept banging his head against the plexiglass screen between the seats.
I think this particular Yooper should move to Philadelphia.😂
Porforis
4 years ago

Stop assessing the spot foul and start imposing a 15-yard (or better yet, 10-yard) penalty for defensive pass interference, and the need for challenges disappears instantly.

Originally Posted by: Nonstopdrivel 



Except people are still screaming bloody murder over this game and asking for rule changes, over a 5 yard + first down penalty. Swap those hands to the face with DPI @ 10 yard penalties and you'd still have people screaming for review.

I'm not so much saying that challenges for PI is a good idea, as I'm saying that no matter what you do people will be screaming and complaining and asking for reviews for everything under the sun. IMO, the NFL should ignore them all.
Cheesey
4 years ago
True.
Fact is, you could probably find something to penalize every play.
In trying to appease the whiners, it has made it almost impossible for the refs to do their jobs.
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Cheesey
4 years ago

One Packers fan, a Yooper from Iron Mountain Michigan, didn't fare so well when he was in Green Bay for the Loins game.
He was refused service in the 1919 because he was too inebriated at which time he started verbally assaulted staff.
They called the Police and when they arrived he physically assaulted the police officers trying to bite one on the leg.
When they got him in the squad car he kept banging his head against the plexiglass screen between the seats.
I think this particular Yooper should move to Philadelphia.😂

Originally Posted by: yooperfan 


How do you know all this, Yoop?
A relative or friend of yours???🤣

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warhawk
4 years ago
I don't have any sympathy for the Lions.
Teams that go 3-0 on the turnovers win 91% of the time. The Lions only managed 9 points on the 3 turnovers. This doesn't even include them catching our guys totally off guard on the first play of the game and not getting in the end zone then either.
In the last 55 minutes of the game Detroit only gained 167 yards. Our D stuffed their run (kudos to Lowry) and our pass rush really started to pressure Stafford.

So they complain about penalties being the reason they lost? I don't think so. The league really needs to look at the rules and make it easier to determine a foul in real time. What difference should it make if the DL has his hand on the face mask pushing the OL's head back or if it's a fist to the throat that does the same thing? Another way to put it how is an OL supposed to block a DL he cannot see because his head's shoved back looking at the sky? Besides, the 2nd one was on the DL. He got called the first time and should have taken that as being put on notice. He went back there anyway so that one was on him.







"The train is leaving the station."
Nonstopdrivel
4 years ago

I guess we can look to the college game as a reference. I don't watch many college games but I don't see the abuse you are concerned about being a major issue.

Originally Posted by: wpr 


My point precisely. I thought I made it in my original post, but apparently I failed to type it out. I don't think there's any evidence that DBs in the college game mug receivers all the way down the field, so I'm skeptical of the notion that it would become a major problem in the NFL. The offense would score at will if the defense was giving up automatic first downs like that.

When it comes to enforcing the rules of the game, I like the analogy of cops enforcing speed limits: They have every right to pull you over and give you a ticket for going a mile per hour over the posted limit, but the overwhelming majority of the time, they exercise their power of discretion and overlook minor offenses. Similarly, NFL officials should be instructed to watch for egregious interactions, the ones that truly give a team an unfair advantage or represent a major threat to player safety, and let the rest of them slide. That's basically the stance they take in the postseason, and it makes for a more enjoyable product on the field.

Let the players play, and toss the assholes and psychopaths. Compared to other sports, the NFL is far too timid with player ejections.
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4 years ago
I think the college system of replays is vastly superior to the NFL's, but egos preclude us from adopting it.
In Luce tua Videmus Lucem KRK
Nonstopdrivel
4 years ago
I don't watch enough college ball to be familiar with the replay system. How does it differ from the NFL's?
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beast
4 years ago

Yup...

You just misunderstand the salary cap a little here. Yes, you're right Jimmy Graham's contract averaged about $10 million per season, however, that is not how the salary cap is calculated. Graham's first year cap hit was just under $6 million and Mo Wilkerson's was $5 million for 2018 season.

Graham's cap hit's for 2019 and 2020 are $12.6 million and $11.6 million respectively.

This is why I believe so many Packers fans were pissed off the Packers paid Graham that bonus (~$5 million?) in March '19 because we had an "out" and didn't take it.

As for keeping Randall Cobb over Jordy Nelson. I think both are done and finished so if we had got rid of both I would have been okay. If I had to take one or the other??

Players tend to play really well the first year away from their long tenured franchise relative to the second year so while hindsight makes me wanna say Nelson, I think I'll have to say Cobb only because he got us that win against Bears. I actually can't remember another play from 2018 with him off the top of my head.

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 


Nope I didn't misunderstanding the cap, I just understand the fact that looking at a single year of the cap is set up to lie and your spreading the lie as truth.

Nelson being released saved 10.2 million

The second Graham signed (and didn't retire) cost the Packers $11 million in guarantees spread over the first 5 years or the life of the contract, which ever is shorter.

You're falsely arguing that since it's spread out over the 3 years it's not as much, but that's a lie as the fact is it's still $11 million dollars that you can't get back (unless he retires). Which is why there would be a $12.5+ million dead cap hit if we release him which you have totally failed to calculating to your numbers, as that money is already in Graham's pocket and has to hit the salary cap too)

If you only look at a single year then you fail to correct account for entire signing bonus... and the cap is nothing more than a delayed accounting system, the delayed part is way you need to look at more than one year.


Graham's first year of the contract cost the Packers more Nelson's final year... unless you put the single year blinders on... but money and available money can be moved from one year to another year, so there is no need for those blinders unless a team is over the single year limit (which isn't allowed) so the total money amount should be the focus than any single year (unless someone is over the limit).
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