Packers should have traded down· Page 2

wpr
Preferred Member

12 years ago

If you use $35 to buy a $25 steak, you don't get to have that $10 shrimp cocktail,

Originally Posted by: Wade

So what good is it to get the $10 shrimp when you are so full you can't eat it all anyway?

GB only has a few holes to fill. Trading down for extra picks will only mean more players that won't make the team that they will release into the wild.

I understand more picks means more chances to have someone stick. But if they do their homework (and Uncle Teddy certainly does) they don't need the extra chances.

play2win
Senior Member

12 years ago

#12

Wade, I see where you are coming from, but I disagree about him not being suitable for the #28.

I think there are a few other considerations at play here. Perry is one of the fastest, strongest DEs of the entire class. His numbers in two years of play are equal to or better than Coples, Ingram, Upshaw, Mercilus, Irvin and Jones. He's also a Junior. That is some pretty big production for two seasons, coming out early, and indicates room to grow. I think he is well worth the selection, and I believe he fell as a result of unfamiliarity, being a PAC 12 player on the West coast, more than anything. They just don't get as much attention and media blow up in general, especially mired in a USC program under restrictions, even though they played possibly better competition that most of the other players mentioned.

4 of Coples 10 sacks last year came against James Madison and Duke.
4.5 of Irvin's 8 sacks came against Marshall, UConn, and Louisville
9 of Mercilus's 16 sacks came against Arkansas St., Western Michigan, Indiana, Northwestern, a reeling Penn St. and Minnehaha.

The other thing is finding the trading partner. Sounds like Ted took offers to move both up and down, and didn't like what he was being offered to make a trade. He was protecting our interests, and he knew he absolutely had to hit with this pick.

I do think the soft press/exposure led both to Perry's falling on the boards, and this rather benign media response in falling into GB's laps without much splash and fanfare. Nick Perry is a pretty damn good pass rusher - and a great bookend for Matthews, and I doubt highly we could have gotten him mid to low R2, which is where I'm guessing Ted was getting offers for his #28. We surely don't need what I'm guessing would be the R4 throw in on that, to miss out on what we need now, and what many project to be a sure NFL starter at OLB/DE. An R2+R4 doesn't add up to our R1 at 28, and neither do any of the R2+R3 combinations, except for the top 10-12, and maybe those teams just weren't offering... enough. Maybe they like Perry that much. Sounds like a good pick to me, with great value and upside.

DoddPower
Veteran Member

12 years ago

#13

I suppose I can understand Wade's opinion, but I'm glad Ted Thompson doesn't agree with him (Luis Castillo, anyone?). I think Perry is going to be a beast. I'm sticking by my "poor man's LaMarr Woodley" statement. It may take awhile to get there, but that's the case with most players in the draft. Of course it's yet to be seen how effective he will be, but I love the pick. As Porky mentioned, we needed more speed on defense. Not only does Perry add that, but he also adds strength and toughness.

Perry will be a great #2 pass rusher, which is exactly what we needed. Ted Thompson thinks that he fits what the Packers need, and he got him. That's most important to me, not getting a few more picks. More than likely, Ted did not feel the trade options would perfectly suit the criterion of BPA and need.

I expect a lot of activity in days 2 and even more so day 3. Ted has 12 total picks; he has a ton of flexibility to add MORE pass rushers while still having someone he thinks capable of being a solid #2 OLB. Sweet deal. I don't think for one second that Perry is solely being depended on to fix the pass rush. He'll have every opportunity, but he's going to have to earn it through what I imagine will be stiff competition with a few more rookies and hopefully improvement from players currently on the roster.

wpr
Preferred Member

12 years ago

#14

And it actually surprises Finley that people react to twitter postings?

I suppose that is one of the things that frustrates me about young people. They do something and then are shocked by the fallout to what they did.

Wade
Veteran Member Topic Starter

12 years ago

#15

Originally Posted by: wpr

"Few" holes?

Needed:
1. starting OLB (ok, lets say everyone's right and that's filled now.)

AND:
2. starting DE (Hargrove may work here; but I'm not convinced he's a long term solution; and he is going to be 29 this year)
3. starting safety.
4. nickel back (essentially starting CB) -- Woodson ain't around a lot longer.
5. ILB starter improvement.
6. OT (at least quality backup)
7. C (Saturday ain't going to be around long either.

By my count, they need quite a few things. RB, WR, QB, TE, LB -- these positions only need tweaks re: depth, can be satisfied by late round picks. But DE, S, CB, ILB, OL -- these need more than tweaks.

Again, it's not just more picks. It's more picks in the top 125.

And do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, that you may prove what is that good and acceptable and perfect will of God.
Romans 12:2 (NKJV)

wpr
Preferred Member

12 years ago

#16

Originally Posted by: Wade

with so many holes it is a wonder this team can compete for the division little alone winning 15 games last year. GB should have gotten the first pick of the draft.

Wade
Veteran Member Topic Starter

12 years ago

#17

What a bunch of apologists for the man you all are.

I mean -- what's the point of being a fan if you can't be unreasonable regularly?

Besides, even the Vikings were 15-1 once. Big deal. If 15-1 were enough, the Vikings would be a real team instead of never-won-it-all losers.

And do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, that you may prove what is that good and acceptable and perfect will of God.
Romans 12:2 (NKJV)

Zero2Cool
Elite Member

12 years ago

#18

Originally Posted by: Wade

1, done.
2, don't you think it's a little early to write off guys like Lawrence Guy, C.J. Wilson, Johnny Jones and Jarius Wynn? As you said, who knows about Hargrove.
3, don't you think it's a little early to write off guys like M.D. Jennings and Anthony Levine?
4, don't you think it's a little early to write off guys like Davon House and Brandian Ross?
5, why won't you give D.J. Smith some props? He did well during his time filling in for A.J. Hawk, even had an athletic INT.
6, Packers used 2 first round picks on Tackles in the last two drafts prior to this year. Why do you want to count them both out already? At worst, Marshall Newhouse can be a solid backup if not a starter.
7, this is the biggest need left that does not involve the pass rush for the defense.

I'm not saying the Packers have all the pieces on the roster. It's too soon to say we know already that they don't. Keep in mind these young players missed an off season which is very beneficial to them last season. That means players like Marshall Newhouse (who could be a fine backup Tackle) missed a lot of proper preparation.

DakotaT
Select Member

12 years ago

#19

What a bunch of apologists for the man you all are.

I mean -- what's the point of being a fan if you can't be unreasonable regularly?

Originally Posted by: Wade

Because you sound like a bunch of women, even Gunny!

play2win
Senior Member

12 years ago

#20

Originally Posted by: Wade

Wade, how can we possibly need another WR and TE? Haven't you been reading my special "trade up" thread?

Are we going to go 8 wide, with Saturday and Sitton in to block? That will be one quick f'in release. Hey, come to think of it, it might work!

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