No Pass Rush · PACKERSHOME

IronMan
Veteran Member Topic Starter

14 years ago

This has been a problem for the last 2 years, starting with the last few games of the 07 season.

Last year the Packers were 25th in the league with only 27 sacks.

So far this year, the Packers are 26th with only 5 sacks in 4 games.

Is this a coaching problem, or has Ted not acquired/drafted enough talent?

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PackerBuddha
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14 years ago

This year its a play calling issue...you cant expect to get a rush only rushing 3 guys, on that play Favre had almost 8 seconds you had Viking O-linemen standing around just waiting for someone to run by and then they would block them. Capers needs to dial up some blitzes and force the QB to throw the ball before he is ready.

all_about_da_packers
Senior Member

14 years ago

When your pass rush is THIS bad, it is just more than one reason.

I think enough talent is present to at least be a decent pass rushing team, but it just isn't getting utilized. On top of that, the players have to get home. Against the Vikings, Chillar was 0-5 and Barnett was 0-6 when rushing. What made the Bears game stand out was that we won the individual match-ups. Not doing that enough this time around, in addition to less than stellar coaching all around.

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Tezzy
Senior Member

14 years ago

"PackerBuddha" wrote:

Other teams get pressure with their front 3 and 4. If the only way we get pressure is through blitzing, then I see it as a talent issue. No matter the scheme or playcall, players have to win their one on one matchups. Two different schemes, two different coaches, but same players up front. That leads me to one conclusion.

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PackerBuddha
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14 years ago

"Tezzy" wrote:

"PackerBuddha" wrote:

I dont see many 3-4 teams getting pressure with just a 3 man rush. 4-3 teams can generate pressure if you have a dominant DE (see Jared Allen) and he can just speed rush the outside. The Packers dont have a speed rush guy on that line who can just run around people, so they go inside and are contantly getting chiped by another o-linemen.

Rios39
Member

14 years ago

No team will get pressure in a 3-4 defense without bringing blitzes. Pittsburgh, Dallas, Baltimore, NYJ all bring major pressure. 5-6-7-8 guys. You need to mix up the guys you bring each down. Kampman and Matthews should be in pass rush mode almost every down IMO.

The drop back from those guys should be a surprise element where you bring someone else who doesn't usually rush like hawk, woodson ect.

Kampman was close on a number of plays. Favre delivers the ball very quickly.

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Tezzy
Senior Member

14 years ago

Mike Wright, the NT from the Patriots has 3 of their 8 sacks. And this guy is the backup to Wilfork. So there is talent out there that can make plays happen in the interior of the line for a 3-4 scheme.

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Rios39
Member

14 years ago

"Tezzy" wrote:

It's rare and those plays usually come from pressure on the outside forcing the QB to run around in the pocket and getting garbage sacked by one of the lineman.

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Tezzy
Senior Member

14 years ago

"Rios39" wrote:

Lets take a look at the numbers. Through week 3, we were bringing extra pressure 44% of our defensive plays, and still no results. We were in the top 6 of extra pressure play percentage in the entire league. So those teams you mentioned aren't exactly bringing more plays of pressure then us, they are just doing it more effectively. If you think we need to be bringing more pressure on a higher % of plays then I see that as strengthening my argument that we have a talent deficiency.

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Tezzy
Senior Member

14 years ago

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"Rios39" wrote:

It's rare and those plays usually come from pressure on the outside forcing the QB to run around in the pocket and getting garbage sacked by one of the lineman.

"Tezzy" wrote:

Fine, if you want to take sacks out of it, what about overall pressure. Pass rush doesn't only equate to sacks. Looking at the line of scrimmage it's always back into us. I don't see much of a push and a general lack of penetration in general. Against the Viqueens more understandable because too much upfield pressure can make it easier for AP, don't know how many times they discussed gap control. The plays that I get excited because there is interior pressure end up being screens anyways, so that's pressure by design from the offense. If our front 3 are being owned at the line, then it's easy for the blockers to peel off to the LBers when we do bring pressure. That's why i really don't enjoy Pickett being on the field and look forward to Raji taking that over full time, I think that will hep dramatically.

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