ILikeThePackers39
15 years ago
I'd take Peterson over Rodgers, as long as we're talking about what he can be and not what I'm starting to worry he will be if Chilly continues to marginalize him. In terms of just potential, he could be the best ever. But last year proved to me that Chilly would prefer to have a more pass-oriented offensive attack, and that will only hurt a guy like Peterson. He needs to be a workhorse and the featured player in an offense.

Strictly on talent and potential, Peterson gets my vote. But Chilly's not using him the right way, IMO.
blank
zombieslayer
15 years ago

I'd take Peterson over Rodgers, as long as we're talking about what he can be and not what I'm starting to worry he will be if Chilly continues to marginalize him. In terms of just potential, he could be the best ever. But last year proved to me that Chilly would prefer to have a more pass-oriented offensive attack, and that will only hurt a guy like Peterson. He needs to be a workhorse and the featured player in an offense.

Strictly on talent and potential, Peterson gets my vote. But Chilly's not using him the right way, IMO.

"ILikeThePackers39" wrote:



ILike - If football is like chess, the QB is a Queen and the RB is a Rook. QB > RB. That's how it is.

Look at the greatest QBs of all-time and compare them to the greatest RBs of all time. Most great QBs won championships. Great RBs, as great as they are, rarely do enough to take their teams to championships. That's just how it goes.

Barry Sanders is perhaps the greatest RB I've ever seen. None. Wallie is probably #2. One, and that was due to the best D I've ever seen + a pretty decent QB actually staying healthy an entire year. Jim Brown is supposed to be the greatest ever. One championship. Gale Sayers? Zero. LT is perhaps the best recent RB. Zero.

Now let's look at great QBs (in no order) Montana - 4. Young - 1. Favre - 1, Brady 3, Manning - 1, Elway - 2. Marino's the odd man out.

My point is simply QB is so much more important than RB. So I'll take Rodgers over AP, and going down the list of QBs, I'll take (if we only had one year) - Brees, Favre, Manning, Rodgers, Brady, and possibly Ben R over AP. I would have taken Warner over AP as well but he's retired now. Possibly Rivers too.

Over Chris Johnson, I'd take Brees, Favre, Manning, Rodgers, and Brady.
My man Donald Driver
UserPostedImage
(thanks to Pack93z for the pic)
2010 will be seen as the beginning of the new Packers dynasty. ๐Ÿ‡น๐Ÿ‡น ๐Ÿ‡ฒ๐Ÿ‡ฒ ๐Ÿ‡ฆ๐Ÿ‡ท
Wade
  • Wade
  • Veteran Member
15 years ago
I'd go with Rodgers.

For one reason: ball security.

On the other hand, I would trade the entire OL roster (except Sitton) for AP. ๐Ÿ™‚
And do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, that you may prove what is that good and acceptable and perfect will of God.
Romans 12:2 (NKJV)
Rockmolder
15 years ago

I'd take Peterson over Rodgers, as long as we're talking about what he can be and not what I'm starting to worry he will be if Chilly continues to marginalize him. In terms of just potential, he could be the best ever. But last year proved to me that Chilly would prefer to have a more pass-oriented offensive attack, and that will only hurt a guy like Peterson. He needs to be a workhorse and the featured player in an offense.

Strictly on talent and potential, Peterson gets my vote. But Chilly's not using him the right way, IMO.

"dhazer" wrote:



ILike - If football is like chess, the QB is a Queen and the RB is a Rook. QB > RB. That's how it is.

Look at the greatest QBs of all-time and compare them to the greatest RBs of all time. Most great QBs won championships. Great RBs, as great as they are, rarely do enough to take their teams to championships. That's just how it goes.

Barry Sanders is perhaps the greatest RB I've ever seen. None. Wallie is probably #2. One, and that was due to the best D I've ever seen + a pretty decent QB actually staying healthy an entire year. Jim Brown is supposed to be the greatest ever. One championship. Gale Sayers? Zero. LT is perhaps the best recent RB. Zero.

Now let's look at great QBs (in no order) Montana - 4. Young - 1. Favre - 1, Brady 3, Manning - 1, Elway - 2. Marino's the odd man out.

My point is simply QB is so much more important than RB. So I'll take Rodgers over AP, and going down the list of QBs, I'll take (if we only had one year) - Brees, Favre, Manning, Rodgers, Brady, and possibly Ben R over AP. I would have taken Warner over AP as well but he's retired now. Possibly Rivers too.

Over Chris Johnson, I'd take Brees, Favre, Manning, Rodgers, and Brady.

"zombieslayer" wrote:



Interesting that you want to leave out Franco Harris 4, Emmitt Smith 3, Allen 1, and Thurman Thomas was in 4 and don't forget those other Elite qbs like Trent Dilfer, Jeff Hostetler and Brad Johnson.

"ILikeThePackers39" wrote:



Franco Harris - Terry Bradshaw.

Emmitt Smith - Troy Aikman.

Thurman Thomas - Jim Kelly.

Marcus Allen - Jim Plunkett in his Raiders years.

Sure, you can win a SB without a good QB, but that means that you'll have to have one hell of a supporting cast.

The Ravens needed a defense that rivaled that of the '85 Bears and the Falcons' Grits Blitz defenses. And they needed Jamal Lewis who was running like a man possesed. Tom Brady has never had an amazing running game and his defense has been good, but not that dominant.

Next to that, look at the years that those QBs has when they won the SB.

Dilfer had an amazing play-off run, in which he played the best football of his career. They went "just" 12-4 in the regular season because their QB play killed them quite some times.

Brad Johnson had a 22 TD, 9 Int, 3,049 yard, 62%, 92.3 Rating season when the Bucs won the SB. And, again, that team was winning it with its defense.

Hostetler's run in the play-offs: 510 yards, 59%, 3 TDs, 0 Ints, 92.5 rating. And that was, again, a team build around its defense.
zombieslayer
15 years ago



Interesting that you want to leave out Franco Harris 4, Emmitt Smith 3, Allen 1, and Thurman Thomas was in 4 and don't forget those other Elite qbs like Trent Dilfer, Jeff Hostetler and Brad Johnson.

"dhazer" wrote:



Harris, Allen, and Thomas were not top 10 of all-time RBs by any means. Smith is. Good catch. I missed Smith.

But I've said it before and I'll say it again - to win a SB, most important thing is an elite Defense. Second most important thing is an elite QB. Elite RBs rarely make a difference. It happens. But they're far less important than elite Ds and elite QBs.

You can find exceptions to any rule. But generally, that's your order of importance.

EDIT: Just read what Rock said. Wow. +1
My man Donald Driver
UserPostedImage
(thanks to Pack93z for the pic)
2010 will be seen as the beginning of the new Packers dynasty. ๐Ÿ‡น๐Ÿ‡น ๐Ÿ‡ฒ๐Ÿ‡ฒ ๐Ÿ‡ฆ๐Ÿ‡ท
zombieslayer
15 years ago
I'll give credit where it's due. MM is a dang fine QB coach. Look at Favre's '07 year after a few years where he looked pretty bad (and one I'd like to forget).

Hard to say what would have happened if the Niners took Rodgers instead of Smith. Would Rodgers be an elite QB on the Niners?
My man Donald Driver
UserPostedImage
(thanks to Pack93z for the pic)
2010 will be seen as the beginning of the new Packers dynasty. ๐Ÿ‡น๐Ÿ‡น ๐Ÿ‡ฒ๐Ÿ‡ฒ ๐Ÿ‡ฆ๐Ÿ‡ท
tonyagnese
15 years ago

I'll give credit where it's due. Mike McCarthy is a dang fine QB coach. Look at Favre's '07 year after a few years where he looked pretty bad (and one I'd like to forget).

Hard to say what would have happened if the Niners took Rodgers instead of Smith. Would Rodgers be an elite QB on the Niners?

"zombieslayer" wrote:



Mike McCarthy's forte is QBs, and he has the image of a QB guru after coaching Farve and developing Rodgers (whether or not he is actually one is up to debate, he did pick Alex Smith over Aaron Rodgers and Brian Brohm didn't exactly turn out like expected).
blank
porky88
15 years ago

I'll give credit where it's due. Mike McCarthy is a dang fine QB coach. Look at Favre's '07 year after a few years where he looked pretty bad (and one I'd like to forget).

Hard to say what would have happened if the Niners took Rodgers instead of Smith. Would Rodgers be an elite QB on the Niners?

"tonyagnese" wrote:



Mike McCarthy's forte is QBs, and he has the image of a QB guru after coaching Farve and developing Rodgers (whether or not he is actually one is up to debate, he did pick Alex Smith over Aaron Rodgers and Brian Brohm didn't exactly turn out like expected).

"zombieslayer" wrote:



Coaching and talent evaluation are two different things. It's certainly possible for McCarty to be a good coach, but an inconsistent judge of college talent. Thus far that might be the case at least among QBs.
dhazer
15 years ago

I'll give credit where it's due. Mike McCarthy is a dang fine QB coach. Look at Favre's '07 year after a few years where he looked pretty bad (and one I'd like to forget).

Hard to say what would have happened if the Niners took Rodgers instead of Smith. Would Rodgers be an elite QB on the Niners?

"zombieslayer" wrote:



I guess Chilly must be a super qb guru if your trying to use Favre to credit MM, Yes Rodgers has surprised me and I am happy he is our qb but I'm still not sold on Fred Flintstone as this so called qb guru.
Just Imagine this for the next 6-9 years. What a ride it will be ๐Ÿ™‚ (PS, Zero should charge for this)
UserPostedImage
Rockmolder
15 years ago

I'll give credit where it's due. Mike McCarthy is a dang fine QB coach. Look at Favre's '07 year after a few years where he looked pretty bad (and one I'd like to forget).

Hard to say what would have happened if the Niners took Rodgers instead of Smith. Would Rodgers be an elite QB on the Niners?

"dhazer" wrote:



I guess Chilly must be a super qb guru if your trying to use Favre to credit Mike McCarthy, Yes Rodgers has surprised me and I am happy he is our qb but I'm still not sold on Fred Flintstone as this so called qb guru.

"zombieslayer" wrote:



It's not all on the coach, but yes, I think that Chilly had something to do with that year, as well. I don't know about his capabilities as a HC, but he's a good QB coach and OC. I think that he's ok as a HC, as well, as long as he can keep his guys in check.
Fan Shout
dfosterf (5h) : Just gotta figure out how.
dfosterf (5h) : Could have been a worse start, so there is that.
beast (5h) : Yeah, someone tell the Packers football season has started, seems like they weren't ready for it
Mucky Tundra (5h) : Sooooooo many penalties
Mucky Tundra (6h) : It may only be preseason, but this game is a trip to the dentist
Zero2Cool (6h) : Packers do bad -- FREAK OUT!!!!!!
Zero2Cool (6h) : Packers do good -- eh only preseason
dfosterf (6h) : Well that half was fun
Zero2Cool (8h) : Great, zayne is down
Zero2Cool (8h) : 13 minutes away from kickkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkoffff
Zero2Cool (10h) : Had Celebration of Life for my uncle up north. wicked rain hope it dont come south
Mucky Tundra (12h) : THE GREEN BAY PACKERS ARE PLAYING FOOTBALL TONIGHT!!!!!! THIS IS NOT A DRILL!!!!
Zero2Cool (13h) : Woo-hoo
TheKanataThrilla (13h) : NFL Network is broadcasting the game tonight, but not in Canada. Not sure why as no local television is showing the game.
beast (8-Aug) : But the Return from IR designations had to be applied by the 53 man cutdown.
beast (8-Aug) : It's a new rule, so it's not clear, but my understanding was that they could be IR'd at any time
Mucky Tundra (8-Aug) : *had to be IRed at 53
Mucky Tundra (8-Aug) : beast, I thought the designate return from IR players had to be IR at cutdowns to 53, not before
beast (8-Aug) : It's a brand new rule, either last season or this season, prior, all pre-season IRs were done for the season
beast (8-Aug) : But the Packers would have to use one for their return from IR spots on him, when they cut down to 53.
beast (8-Aug) : I think the NFL recently changed the IR rules, so maybe the season might not be over for OL Glover.
Zero2Cool (8-Aug) : Packers star Howton, first NFLPA prez, dies at 95 ๐Ÿ˜”
dfosterf (8-Aug) : Apparently it is too complicated for several to follow your simple instructions, but I digress
dfosterf (8-Aug) : Zero- Did you see what I posted about Voice of Reason and his wife? She posted over at fleaflicker that they are both "In"
Zero2Cool (7-Aug) : Well, not crazy, it makes sense. Crazy I didn't notice/find it earlier
Zero2Cool (7-Aug) : it's crazy how one stored procedure to get data bogged everything down for speed here
dfosterf (7-Aug) : to herd cats or goldfish without a bowl. They reminded me of the annual assembly of our fantasy league
dfosterf (7-Aug) : out on a field trip, outfitting them with little yellow smocks. Most of the little folk were well behaved, but several were like trying
dfosterf (7-Aug) : Yesterday my wife and I spent the afternoon on the waterfront here in Alexandria, Va. A daycare company took about 15 three/four year olds
wpr (7-Aug) : seems faster. yay
dfosterf (7-Aug) : Wife of reason posted on the in/out thread on fleaflicker that both she and vor are in
Zero2Cool (7-Aug) : This page was generated in 0.135 seconds.
Mucky Tundra (7-Aug) : Tbh, I can never tell the difference in speed unless it's completely shitting the bed
Zero2Cool (7-Aug) : Sure does feel like site is more snappy
Zero2Cool (6-Aug) : I thought that was the Lions OL
Mucky Tundra (6-Aug) : Travis Glover placed on IR; seasons over for him
Zero2Cool (6-Aug) : found bad sql in database, maybe site faster now?
dfosterf (5-Aug) : I'm going to call that a good move.
Zero2Cool (4-Aug) : Packers sign CB Corey Ballentine
Zero2Cool (4-Aug) : I'm not sure how to kill the draft order just yet so it's not so confusing.
Mucky Tundra (4-Aug) : *to be able
Mucky Tundra (4-Aug) : and because it's not a dynasty league (which makes a lot more sense to be ability to trade picks)
Mucky Tundra (4-Aug) : Oh I know; I was just exploring and it blew my mind that you could trade picks because of the whole reordering thing
Mucky Tundra (4-Aug) : Zero, I think I preferred my offer: your 1st for my 15th rounder
Zero2Cool (4-Aug) : Keep in mind, we do a draft reorder once all members locked in
Zero2Cool (4-Aug) : You can have my 12th Rd for your 2nd round
Mucky Tundra (4-Aug) : Hey i didn't know we could trade picks in fantasy
Mucky Tundra (3-Aug) : Update: Rock has tried a cheese curd, promises it's not his last
Zero2Cool (3-Aug) : watch it!! lol
Mucky Tundra (3-Aug) : you're right, we never did leave, the site just went down :P
Please sign in to use Fan Shout
2025 Packers Schedule
Sunday, Sep 7 @ 3:25 PM
LIONS
Thursday, Sep 11 @ 7:15 PM
COMMANDERS
Sunday, Sep 21 @ 12:00 PM
Browns
Sunday, Sep 28 @ 7:20 PM
Cowboys
Sunday, Oct 12 @ 3:25 PM
BENGALS
Sunday, Oct 19 @ 3:25 PM
Cardinals
Sunday, Oct 26 @ 7:20 PM
Steelers
Sunday, Nov 2 @ 12:00 PM
PANTHERS
Monday, Nov 10 @ 7:15 PM
EAGLES
Sunday, Nov 16 @ 12:00 PM
Giants
Sunday, Nov 23 @ 12:00 PM
VIKINGS
Thursday, Nov 27 @ 12:00 PM
Lions
Sunday, Dec 7 @ 12:00 PM
BEARS
Sunday, Dec 14 @ 3:25 PM
Broncos
Friday, Dec 19 @ 11:00 PM
Bears
Friday, Dec 26 @ 11:00 PM
RAVENS
Saturday, Jan 3 @ 11:00 PM
Vikings
Recent Topics
1h / Around The NFL / Mucky Tundra

8h / Green Bay Packers Talk / beast

12h / Green Bay Packers Talk / beast

8-Aug / Around The NFL / Zero2Cool

8-Aug / Fantasy Sports Talk / packerfanoutwest

8-Aug / Green Bay Packers Talk / beast

7-Aug / Green Bay Packers Talk / beast

5-Aug / Green Bay Packers Talk / beast

4-Aug / Green Bay Packers Talk / bboystyle

3-Aug / Green Bay Packers Talk / Mucky Tundra

3-Aug / Green Bay Packers Talk / beast

3-Aug / Feedback, Suggestions and Issues / Zero2Cool

2-Aug / Green Bay Packers Talk / Mucky Tundra

2-Aug / Green Bay Packers Talk / wpr

28-Jul / Random Babble / Zero2Cool

Copyright ยฉ 2006 - 2025 PackersHome.comโ„ข. All Rights Reserved.