uffda udfa
10 years ago

11 sacks last year is wasted?

Originally Posted by: nerdmann 



Does Clay want to play there? Why doesn't he? He realizes he can have more impact off the edge which is where he ain't when he's playing ILB. He was only moved there...why was that again? Oh, right...our GM had NO ONE else on the roster capable. That's top notch work right there from our "awesome" GM.

If Lacy gets hurt next season let's just move Randall there almost full time because we got nobody else. Sounds like a great plan.

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DoddPower
10 years ago

Does Clay want to play there? Why doesn't he? He realizes he can have more impact off the edge which is where he ain't when he's playing ILB. He was only moved there...why was that again? Oh, right...our GM had NO ONE else on the roster capable. That's top notch work right there from our "awesome" GM.

If Lacy gets hurt next season let's just move Randall there almost full time because we got nobody else. Sounds like a great plan.

Originally Posted by: uffda udfa 



I thought Clay was very average at OLB early in the season. I don't think the Packers were missing much at that position by having him play inside some. And what they gained from doing so was obviously a net-gain, which is what it's all about. Not individual production.
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gbguy20
10 years ago

I thought Clay was very average at OLB early in the season. I don't think the Packers were missing much at that position by having him play inside some. And what they gained from doing so was obviously a net-gain, which is what it's all about. Not individual production.

Originally Posted by: DoddPower 




You may be right about how he was playing early in the season, but that doesn't make uffda's point invalid. He may be speaking like an asshole about it, but he really is right. Clay was only moved inside because we had no one else to do it. Turns out, Clay is great inside.

I would not be opposed to him staying inside, as long as his replacements on the outside pick up their play.
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nerdmann
10 years ago

I thought Clay was very average at OLB early in the season. I don't think the Packers were missing much at that position by having him play inside some. And what they gained from doing so was obviously a net-gain, which is what it's all about. Not individual production.

Originally Posted by: DoddPower 



Clay has to prove he's still got it if he wants to play on the outside.
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DoddPower
10 years ago

You may be right about how he was playing early in the season, but that doesn't make uffda's point invalid. He may be speaking like an asshole about it, but he really is right. Clay was only moved inside because we had no one else to do it. Turns out, Clay is great inside.

I would not be opposed to him staying inside, as long as his replacements on the outside pick up their play.

Originally Posted by: gbguy20 



I think it was more a combination of having no one else inside AND maximizing a players potential. Clay wasn't getting it done on the outside. There were other players on the team who were delivering similar or better production on the outside (Peppers, Neal, Perry). If he can be moved inside and becomes essentially a star player again, it's a no-brainer, imo. There aren't going to be many players in the entire NFL that are clearly better than CM3 at ILB. So almost regardless of who is playing on the inside previously, it makes sense to play him there at least about 50% of the time.

I wasn't arguing that the Packers had tons of talent outside of CM3 at the inside linebacker position. Didn't anything like that. But if a coach can take a player that is struggling, move him around, and turn him back into a true impact player, than that's what needs to be done. I don't care what position a player is playing at or labeled as. Just put them in a position to maximize their talents.
nerdmann
10 years ago

I think it was more a combination of having no one else inside AND maximizing a players potential. Clay wasn't getting it done on the outside. There were other players on the team who were delivering similar or better production on the outside (Peppers, Neal, Perry).

Originally Posted by: DoddPower 



I agree. Perry isn't a bust at all. They just need to keep him healthy.

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DoddPower
10 years ago

I agree. Perry isn't a bust at all. They just need to keep him healthy.

Originally Posted by: nerdmann 



Yeah, one thing I also failed to mention was that moving Clay to ILB got Perry on the field, as well. Perry is obviously talented, just fragile. Again, maximizing net gain and getting all of the best players on the field.

Does anyone actually think there is a inside linebacker in this upcoming draft that would be better than Clay Mathews? At least this upcoming season? There likely are some very good outside linebackers available, though.
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uffda udfa
10 years ago

You may be right about how he was playing early in the season, but that doesn't make uffda's point invalid. He may be speaking like an asshole about it, but he really is right. Clay was only moved inside because we had no one else to do it. Turns out, Clay is great inside.

I would not be opposed to him staying inside, as long as his replacements on the outside pick up their play.

Originally Posted by: gbguy20 



I try to speak in a sarcastic humoristic way. Sorry, it comes across as being an A-hole.
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DoddPower
10 years ago

Does anyone actually think there is a inside linebacker in this upcoming draft that would be better than Clay Mathews? At least this upcoming season? There likely are some very good outside linebackers available, though.

Originally Posted by: DoddPower 



I'm still interested in hearing others opinion on the quoted question above. What do you think? If Ted picks the best rookie ILB in the entire 2015 draft class, will they be better than Clay Mathews at the position this season . . . or next? Ever? At best, they could be "as good" which would make them worth whatever pick necessary. But I'm not convinced this crop of ILBs will ever be anything better than decent. Or least not better than the level of CM3's play last season.

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