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5 years ago

  • Turner will see most of the action at right tackle...if effective, that will be his spot next year, and Bulaga will be history.

    Originally Posted by: KRK 


  • We're still just trying to kick Bulaga out the door for just anybody? STILL!

    Turner is basically playing at Lane Taylor's level (slightly better, but not that much of an improvement)... and we want him as the long term starting RT? No THANKS! ... unless some how he is a lot better at OT than OG, but that's a true rarity!
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    Beast Beckoned:

    We're still just trying to kick Bulaga out the door for just anybody? STILL!

    Turner is basically playing at Lane Taylor's level (slightly better, but not that much of an improvement)... and we want him as the long term starting RT? No THANKS! ... unless some how he is a lot better at OT than OG, but that's a true rarity!

    First, IMO Turner is playing much higher than Taylor's level.
    Second, I didn't say he SHOULD BE the replacement, I said, qualified with if he performs well, he WILL be the replacement.
    Third, I would prefer to use Bulaga's and Graham's money for much needed OL upgrades and depth.
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    Beast Beckoned:First, IMO Turner is playing much higher than Taylor's level.
    Second, I didn't say he SHOULD BE the replacement, I said, qualified with if he performs well, he WILL be the replacement.
    Third, I would prefer to use Bulaga's and Graham's money for much needed OL upgrades and depth.

    Originally Posted by: KRK 


    First, Turner is playing slightly better than Taylor... there really hasn't been a big difference between the two... Jenkins is clearly better than both.

    Third, when healthy Bulaga is great, and hasn't been getting paid that much, his money isn't going to get you an upgrade.

    Meanwhile Linsley is in line for $8+ million next year... that money might get you an upgrade.

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    5 years ago

    First, Turner is playing slightly better than Taylor... there really hasn't been a big difference between the two... Jenkins is clearly better than both.

    Third, when healthy Bulaga is great, and hasn't been getting paid that much, his money isn't going to get you an upgrade.

    Meanwhile Linsley is in line for $8+ million next year... that money might get you an upgrade.

    Originally Posted by: beast 


    In my eyes, Bulaga has never been great, he's been adequate.
    He's been inconsistent, good in some games and a turnstile in others.
    I believe it's time to move on from him.
    The big problem right now is that there is nobody on this roster that is better than just adequate.

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    5 years ago

    In my eyes, Bulaga has never been great, he's been adequate.
    He's been inconsistent, good in some games and a turnstile in others.
    I believe it's time to move on from him.
    The big problem right now is that there is nobody on this roster that is better than just adequate.

    Originally Posted by: yooperfan 



    It's quite sad that Packers fans have been so spoiled... that when they see some of the best in the NFL, they think said player is just adequate... Bulaga has consistently graded out as one of the best pass blocking RT in the NFL as well as one of the best overall RT ...

    Yet he's just adequate because we're spoiled as hell and don't have a clue how bad some other teams have had it...

    Yeah, maybe someday we'll upgrade from these adequate OTs and QBs and actually go back to the winning ways of the 70s and 80s, instead of being just adequate...
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    Zero2Cool
    5 years ago

    It's quite sad that Packers fans have been so spoiled... that when they see some of the best in the NFL, they think said player is just adequate... Bulaga has consistently graded out as one of the best pass blocking RT in the NFL as well as one of the best overall RT ...

    Yet he's just adequate because we're spoiled as hell and don't have a clue how bad some other teams have had it...

    Yeah, maybe someday we'll upgrade from these adequate OTs and QBs and actually go back to the winning ways of the 70s and 80s, instead of being just adequate...

    Originally Posted by: beast 



    Who has graded Bryan Bulaga as one of the best pass blocking RT in the NFL? I'm not disagreeing or doubting, but ProFootballFocus has Bulaga very low (around 30th) this season for Pass Blocking and 18th overall at Tackle.

    PFF Grades for Bulaga's career

    2010 63.7
    2011 81.2
    2012 62.9
    2013 --
    2014 74.4
    2015 68.4
    2016 78.1
    2017 61.4
    2018 75
    2019 72.4
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    5 years ago
    Bulaga is better then anyone else we have.
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    5 years ago

    Who has graded Bryan Bulaga as one of the best pass blocking RT in the NFL? I'm not disagreeing or doubting, but ProFootballFocus has Bulaga very low (around 30th) this season for Pass Blocking and 18th overall at Tackle.

    PFF Grades for Bulaga's career

    2010 63.7
    2011 81.2
    2012 62.9
    2013 --
    2014 74.4
    2015 68.4
    2016 78.1
    2017 61.4
    2018 75
    2019 72.4

    Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 


    Interesting, how you call out my post, and then suddenly this post become it's own thread... hmm I wonder whom has that power... also, the grades don't tell you how it compares to the rest of the league...

    Also interesting is that, with the subject being pass blocking grades, you didn't use the pass blocking grades, instead choosing the overall grades instead which gets away from the subject of pass blocking... and you're usually the one calling out others for not staying on subject.

    So what are the pass blocking grades and how to relate to others?

    Having just turned 30 a few months back, Bulaga is coming off of a very good 2018 season. According to Pro Football Focus (PFF), Bulaga finished the season with a pass-blocking grade of 84.1 which ranked as the sixth-best season by a tackle since PFF started recording.

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    And that's while every defense knowing we're going to pass the ball, because the Packers lead the NFL in pass plays percentage with 67.54%... so they knew he was pass blocking, and still had one of the best pass blocking grades. I feel like he's consistently put up some of the best pass blocking grades, especially for RTs.


    The point of my original post is that we fans seem to keep trying to get Bulaga out of the RT spot... fans didn't care about resigning him, because we they just had to resign Cobb, then try to get Spriggs or anyone 6'5" in over Bulaga... the guy just keeps doing a very good job in pass blocking, and we just keep saying he's history, not giving him any credit for the great job he's done. Mark Tausher had a lot more respect than Bulaga... we're spoiled at QB and OT positions and have been for years...

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    5 years ago

    Interesting, how you call out my post, and then suddenly this post become it's own thread... hmm I wonder whom has that power... also, the grades don't tell you how it compares to the rest of the league...

    Originally Posted by: beast 



    I was not calling your post out. Should there be more posts pulled into this one that are about Bulaga in the Game Day thread that I missed? I pulled this out because I think it's a good topic, not to call you out or whatever defensive perception you have.

    Also interesting is that, with the subject being pass blocking grades, you didn't use the pass blocking grades, instead choosing the overall grades instead which gets away from the subject of pass blocking... and you're usually the one calling out others for not staying on subject.

    Originally Posted by: beast 


    Another defensive retort. I went with the grades I could find quickly (working on finishing the new site layout). I figured since you said he has graded out so well that you'd have them handy. I was just trying to prove Bulaga is better than we think. I'm not sure the overall grades (which you also alluded to yourself) supported that.

    I am staying on subject. This is about Bryan Bulaga, right? I'm not sure what I'm doing wrong here. I thought you brought up a good point about Bulaga being (this is my assumption) under appreciated by fans. I agree. Hell, I'm one of them.


    Edit, I think I found it under Premium Stats 2.0 on PFF.

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    I pulled this out because I think it's a good topic, not to call you out or whatever defensive perception you have.

    Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 

    Sorry for my wrong assumption, I knew it was highlighted by being made into it's own thread... and not used to it being for a good topic.

    To answer the thread question, no I don't think we are actually trying to kick Bulaga out... but fans have seemed to be real apathetic about Bulaga in FA over the years... and have been talking about moving him to OG for what seems like forever! ... even putting Spriggs there, because Spriggs is 6'5" and Bulaga isn't... using injuries as reasoning (despite Spriggs being even more injury prone than Bulaga was).


    Another defensive retort. I went with the grades I could find quickly (working on finishing the new site layout). I figured since you said he has graded out so well that you'd have them handy. I was just trying to prove Bulaga is better than we think. I'm not sure the overall grades (which you also alluded to yourself) supported that.

    Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 

    Thank you for working on the site as always. No, I don't have any grades hand, I just know from memory that Bulaga has usually graded well up there with the LTs in pass blocking grading, and that the Packers usually have a lot more passes than runs.

    And an OTs main responsibility is to pass block and protect the franchise QB (especially since MM scheme was all about that QB holding onto the ball long enough for a WR to come open). And Bulaga's pass blocking was top notch for a RT.

    Edit, I think I found it under Premium Stats 2.0 on PFF.

    Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 


    Yes! ... Bulaga has graded in the green in pass blocking almost every single year, and dark green about 50% of the time. His run blocking has hurt, but again, MM scheme is about extending the pass plays and protecting your QB and OTs main job is pass blocking.

    And that scheme change, and change of focus of what's important, might explain why Bulaga run blocking has suddenly improved to the second best of his career... as this scheme focuses much more on getting the running game going.

    In 2018 Packers were #1 in pass percentage with 67.54% (one of three teams over 64.5)
    In 2019 Packers are #17 in pass percentage with 60.26%

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