nathaniel
15 years ago
I like the "guy with all the records VS. the guy who is going to break all his records" matchup.
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PackFanWithTwins
15 years ago
Anyone but the Vikings.
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Formo
15 years ago

He doesn't seem to be running the same. Is he hurt?

"zombieslayer" wrote:



No. AP is not hurt. It's just a different system.

Someone like Pack93z could explain this better than I could, but it has to do with the scheme. The Vikings are now a pass first team that throws in the run to keep their opponents off balance. If you see AP in the open field, he's still dangerous. He still makes 5 yards out of what should have been a no gain. He's still the #2 best RB in the NFL and would be the best had it not been for Chris Johnson having one of the best seasons for a RB ever.

The thing is, this is the best thing for AP. History tells us over and over again that the best thing for a RB is to NOT have tons of carries in a year. I don't know the exact number, but it's somewhere in the 300s if I'm not mistaken where almost every time a RB reaches that number, their next year declines significantly.

Limiting carries prolongs a career. RBs bodies take a pounding. If you look at a guy like Grant, he's someone who can actually have a long (8+ years) career as a RB because he doesn't get too many carries.

OK, you want examples? Shaun Alexander, best PLAYER in the NFL in 2005, doesn't even get 1000 yards in '06 because of the beating he took in '05. Earl Campbell, one of the best RBs ever, only lasts 7 seasons because of the continuous beatings he took as he was pretty much Houston's offense.

Larry Johnson, 416 carries in '06. Pro Bowl, All Pro. 1789 yards, 17 TDs. In '07, he doesn't even make 1000 yards.

LaDainian Tomlinson pounds it in '06 for 1815 yards and 28 TDs, breaking Paul Hourning's scoring record and every year after that, his yardage declines signifcantly until this year he's under 1000 yards.

Edgarrin James gets 1709 yards on 387 carries in '00 but doesn't even make 700 yards the next year. He's the exception though as he actually rebounded in 2003, which is a fluke because usually for a RB, once they take their pounding, they're done.

I actually like AP, and the best thing that can happen for AP is for Favre to keep playing as Favre limits AP's carries. Whereas AP led the NFL in yards rushing and all-purpose yards in '08, I bet if you asked him, he'd say he had a better year in '09 as he got 18 TDs rushing and this may be the team that makes it to the SB.

Sorry to take this off-topic as we're supposed to be talking about preferred SB match-ups, but this is a topic I've always been fascinated by.

"Zero2Cool" wrote:



Good post. And I'm sure that has a factor in APs stats.

I'm also pretty sure that he's still needing to be more patient. Also, he added a few pounds of muscle this off season, so that may have something to do with it.
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PackFanWithTwins
15 years ago

He doesn't seem to be running the same. Is he hurt?

"Formo" wrote:



No. AP is not hurt. It's just a different system.

Someone like Pack93z could explain this better than I could, but it has to do with the scheme. The Vikings are now a pass first team that throws in the run to keep their opponents off balance. If you see AP in the open field, he's still dangerous. He still makes 5 yards out of what should have been a no gain. He's still the #2 best RB in the NFL and would be the best had it not been for Chris Johnson having one of the best seasons for a RB ever.

The thing is, this is the best thing for AP. History tells us over and over again that the best thing for a RB is to NOT have tons of carries in a year. I don't know the exact number, but it's somewhere in the 300s if I'm not mistaken where almost every time a RB reaches that number, their next year declines significantly.

Limiting carries prolongs a career. RBs bodies take a pounding. If you look at a guy like Grant, he's someone who can actually have a long (8+ years) career as a RB because he doesn't get too many carries.

OK, you want examples? Shaun Alexander, best PLAYER in the NFL in 2005, doesn't even get 1000 yards in '06 because of the beating he took in '05. Earl Campbell, one of the best RBs ever, only lasts 7 seasons because of the continuous beatings he took as he was pretty much Houston's offense.

Larry Johnson, 416 carries in '06. Pro Bowl, All Pro. 1789 yards, 17 TDs. In '07, he doesn't even make 1000 yards.

LaDainian Tomlinson pounds it in '06 for 1815 yards and 28 TDs, breaking Paul Hourning's scoring record and every year after that, his yardage declines signifcantly until this year he's under 1000 yards.

Edgarrin James gets 1709 yards on 387 carries in '00 but doesn't even make 700 yards the next year. He's the exception though as he actually rebounded in 2003, which is a fluke because usually for a RB, once they take their pounding, they're done.

I actually like AP, and the best thing that can happen for AP is for Favre to keep playing as Favre limits AP's carries. Whereas AP led the NFL in yards rushing and all-purpose yards in '08, I bet if you asked him, he'd say he had a better year in '09 as he got 18 TDs rushing and this may be the team that makes it to the SB.

Sorry to take this off-topic as we're supposed to be talking about preferred SB match-ups, but this is a topic I've always been fascinated by.

"zombieslayer" wrote:



Good post. And I'm sure that has a factor in APs stats.

I'm also pretty sure that he's still needing to be more patient. Also, he added a few pounds of muscle this off season, so that may have something to do with it.

"Zero2Cool" wrote:



They are just a WCO team. they ave been for 2 or 3 years at least. It isn't the scheme, it is just how the plays are being called.
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ILikeThePackers39
15 years ago

He doesn't seem to be running the same. Is he hurt?

"Formo" wrote:



No. AP is not hurt. It's just a different system.

Someone like Pack93z could explain this better than I could, but it has to do with the scheme. The Vikings are now a pass first team that throws in the run to keep their opponents off balance. If you see AP in the open field, he's still dangerous. He still makes 5 yards out of what should have been a no gain. He's still the #2 best RB in the NFL and would be the best had it not been for Chris Johnson having one of the best seasons for a RB ever.

The thing is, this is the best thing for AP. History tells us over and over again that the best thing for a RB is to NOT have tons of carries in a year. I don't know the exact number, but it's somewhere in the 300s if I'm not mistaken where almost every time a RB reaches that number, their next year declines significantly.

Limiting carries prolongs a career. RBs bodies take a pounding. If you look at a guy like Grant, he's someone who can actually have a long (8+ years) career as a RB because he doesn't get too many carries.

OK, you want examples? Shaun Alexander, best PLAYER in the NFL in 2005, doesn't even get 1000 yards in '06 because of the beating he took in '05. Earl Campbell, one of the best RBs ever, only lasts 7 seasons because of the continuous beatings he took as he was pretty much Houston's offense.

Larry Johnson, 416 carries in '06. Pro Bowl, All Pro. 1789 yards, 17 TDs. In '07, he doesn't even make 1000 yards.

LaDainian Tomlinson pounds it in '06 for 1815 yards and 28 TDs, breaking Paul Hourning's scoring record and every year after that, his yardage declines signifcantly until this year he's under 1000 yards.

Edgarrin James gets 1709 yards on 387 carries in '00 but doesn't even make 700 yards the next year. He's the exception though as he actually rebounded in 2003, which is a fluke because usually for a RB, once they take their pounding, they're done.

I actually like AP, and the best thing that can happen for AP is for Favre to keep playing as Favre limits AP's carries. Whereas AP led the NFL in yards rushing and all-purpose yards in '08, I bet if you asked him, he'd say he had a better year in '09 as he got 18 TDs rushing and this may be the team that makes it to the SB.

Sorry to take this off-topic as we're supposed to be talking about preferred SB match-ups, but this is a topic I've always been fascinated by.

"zombieslayer" wrote:



Good post. And I'm sure that has a factor in APs stats.

I'm also pretty sure that he's still needing to be more patient. Also, he added a few pounds of muscle this off season, so that may have something to do with it.

"Zero2Cool" wrote:




This was a bad decision on his part - it cost him just a few ticks off his top gear, but it turns out those ticks were where he was getting his separation. He's had surprisingly few long runs this year - he's getting caught where before he outran everyone. Added to the obvious emphasis on Favre and the passing game, that accounts for the dropoff.
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Gravedigga
15 years ago
Vikes and Jets. Imagine all the favre love festing that will go on with that one. 2 straight weeks of it.
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15 years ago

Favre vs. Manning would be epic.

"IronMan" wrote:



that would be pretty heavy.

but a Manning/Brees superbowl? the score might look like an NBA game!
PackFanWithTwins
15 years ago

Favre vs. Manning would be epic.

"IronMan" wrote:



That would really mess up the commentators. They all like to blow both these guys. They would really have to pivot to knob both of them.
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joym13
15 years ago

Favre vs. Manning would be epic.

"arrowgargantuan" wrote:



that would be pretty heavy.

but a Manning/Brees superbowl? the score might look like an NBA game!

"IronMan" wrote:



I'm shooting ofr Manning vs Brees. The Jets are too boring, they have a great defense - but their offense is just brutal to watch! And I can't root for the Vikings to make the superbowl - ever! I don't care who their QB is.
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Formo
15 years ago

He doesn't seem to be running the same. Is he hurt?

"PackFanWithTwins" wrote:



No. AP is not hurt. It's just a different system.

Someone like Pack93z could explain this better than I could, but it has to do with the scheme. The Vikings are now a pass first team that throws in the run to keep their opponents off balance. If you see AP in the open field, he's still dangerous. He still makes 5 yards out of what should have been a no gain. He's still the #2 best RB in the NFL and would be the best had it not been for Chris Johnson having one of the best seasons for a RB ever.

The thing is, this is the best thing for AP. History tells us over and over again that the best thing for a RB is to NOT have tons of carries in a year. I don't know the exact number, but it's somewhere in the 300s if I'm not mistaken where almost every time a RB reaches that number, their next year declines significantly.

Limiting carries prolongs a career. RBs bodies take a pounding. If you look at a guy like Grant, he's someone who can actually have a long (8+ years) career as a RB because he doesn't get too many carries.

OK, you want examples? Shaun Alexander, best PLAYER in the NFL in 2005, doesn't even get 1000 yards in '06 because of the beating he took in '05. Earl Campbell, one of the best RBs ever, only lasts 7 seasons because of the continuous beatings he took as he was pretty much Houston's offense.

Larry Johnson, 416 carries in '06. Pro Bowl, All Pro. 1789 yards, 17 TDs. In '07, he doesn't even make 1000 yards.

LaDainian Tomlinson pounds it in '06 for 1815 yards and 28 TDs, breaking Paul Hourning's scoring record and every year after that, his yardage declines signifcantly until this year he's under 1000 yards.

Edgarrin James gets 1709 yards on 387 carries in '00 but doesn't even make 700 yards the next year. He's the exception though as he actually rebounded in 2003, which is a fluke because usually for a RB, once they take their pounding, they're done.

I actually like AP, and the best thing that can happen for AP is for Favre to keep playing as Favre limits AP's carries. Whereas AP led the NFL in yards rushing and all-purpose yards in '08, I bet if you asked him, he'd say he had a better year in '09 as he got 18 TDs rushing and this may be the team that makes it to the SB.

Sorry to take this off-topic as we're supposed to be talking about preferred SB match-ups, but this is a topic I've always been fascinated by.

"Formo" wrote:



Good post. And I'm sure that has a factor in APs stats.

I'm also pretty sure that he's still needing to be more patient. Also, he added a few pounds of muscle this off season, so that may have something to do with it.

"zombieslayer" wrote:



They are just a WCO team. they ave been for 2 or 3 years at least. It isn't the scheme, it is just how the plays are being called.

"Zero2Cool" wrote:



Eh, even the coaches as of later in the year have said that the team went from a running team to more of a pass-balanced team. I disagree with how it happened, but then again, we are in the NFC Championship game, so that just shows how much I know.

Chilly was getting upset with Favre because he would check into a pass play more than Chilly wanted him to. That led to the psuedo-schism we all heard about and how Chilly 'tried' to bench Favre multiple times (BTW, those were fabricated stories). I think Chilly finally realized that Favre checking into a pass play vs. a run play actually helps the team (and his job).

As long as the W's keep coming, I'm happy with it.

I don't think it being a WCO has anything to do with it, except that Favre knows the playbook better than anyone else on that team.
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