Ted finally delivers a returner· Real Page 3

macbob
Veteran Member

14 years ago

Pointing to such a marked aberration is hardly a good way to support one's argument that an outstanding return team is essential to winning a championship.

"Nonstopdrivel" wrote:

Wow. "Essential to winning a championship" is quite a leap from a thread discussion of whether having a good returner is overrated or not.

Things "essential" to winning a championship are things like defense, turnover differential, elite QB/passing game.

A returner falls into the "helps to win a championship" category, IMO. And I think that it would be hard to argue that Desmond Howard, SB XXXI MVP, did not help the Packers win that championship.

Nonstopdrivel
Preferred Member

14 years ago

#22

I didn't disagree. My point is that Super Bowl XXXI is the only notable case of an exceptional returner having a significant impact on the outcome of the game.

macbob
Veteran Member

14 years ago

#23

I didn't disagree. My point is that Super Bowl XXXI is the only notable case of an exceptional returner having a significant impact on the outcome of the game.

"Nonstopdrivel" wrote:

Agreed.

Nice to have, not essential.

nerdmann
Premier Member Topic Starter

14 years ago

#24

I'd rather have a really good returner than have the ST we've been seeing the past few years.

“Winning is not a sometime thing, it is an all the time thing. You don't do things right once in a while…you do them right all the time.”

zombieslayer
Registered

14 years ago

#25

Agreed.

Nice to have, not essential.

"macbob" wrote:

Heh. Kind of like a good RB.

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Nonstopdrivel
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14 years ago

#26

And the cycle starts over again.

Dexter_Sinister
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14 years ago

#27

I'd rather have a really good returner than have the ST we've been seeing the past few years.

"nerdmann" wrote:

,

I am going to have to say that comment missed the point.

It should go without saying that you want the team to better everywhere.

The question before the court is:

Is it more important to have a return guy who gets you a couple of TDs a year if he is phenomenal or a WR who gets you three times that if he is just alright.

I want to go out like my Grandpa did. Peacefully in his sleep.
Not screaming in terror like his passengers.

Dexter_Sinister
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14 years ago

#28

Using the Colts vs. Bears example is a little silly, imo. Of course a good return man isn't going to win the game by himself. In order to become a champion, a good team is generally needed all the way around. While an elite special teams unit can certainly help, God himself can only do so much for Sexy Rexy Grossman. And while the Bears defense was very good, I feel as if it's pretty rhetorical that, at minimum, a decent defense and offense is needed in addition to an elite ST's unit in order to win a super bowl.

"doddpower" wrote:

The Bears are the essence of my point. They have that great (maybe greatest) return guy. But they lack weapons for the Offense to score. You can win the Super Bowl with a horrible return game. Indy, NO, Packers etc. But you can't win without decent WRs.

You can try and depend on the D to keep it close and hope one of the 3 returns a year happens when you need it. But then you are counting on luck.

If you have to play 3 straight games to win a Super Bowl and part of your strategy is to get lucky...I wouldn't bet on it.

It is actually more relevant than the one in a lifetime impact of Desmond Howard. It has been done more than once.

I want to go out like my Grandpa did. Peacefully in his sleep.
Not screaming in terror like his passengers.

Dulak
Veteran Member

14 years ago

#29

Why is this argument going on? ...

Why cant we have both good WRs and a good return guy? ...

ya sure a return guy wont win us the SB on his own ... and 1 WR wont win a SB on his own either ...

We might have a guy that can play both ... so happy days.

nerdmann
Premier Member Topic Starter

14 years ago

#30

I'd rather have a really good returner than have the ST we've been seeing the past few years.

"Dexter_Sinister" wrote:

"nerdmann" wrote:

What if you already got 4 WRs and 3 TEs who can do that? (And now two RBs?)

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